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this cat wont fire on diesel, but will on starting fluid. the fuel filters were dirty so i changed both of them and reprimmed the fuel system. didnt see any other defects in the system. the cat acted like it was gonna fire on diesel for a second but as soon as i let off the starter it died. the injector pump seems to be pushing out the right amount of fuel. the guy who owns it says the last time he started it( at full throttle) the engine was at a high rpm and when he pushed the throttle forward there was no change until he pushed it into the detent. before that it hadn't been started in about six months. i have worked on many diesel engines before and i cant figure out this one. can someone please help!
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Sun, Feb 23, 2014 2:35 PM
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The rack is sticking because you have one or more injector pumps partially sized through water or dirt contamination, I'm sorry to say that it is trip to the fuel pump shop.
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Sun, Feb 23, 2014 6:02 PM
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The rack is sticking because you have one or more injector pumps partially sized through water or dirt contamination, I'm sorry to say that it is trip to the fuel pump shop.
thats kinda what i figured. Thanks
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Sun, Feb 23, 2014 10:04 PM
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It may be possible to free the rack up by removing the governor cover on the end of the pump housing until you can get to the rod that connects to the rack. Then there should be a small cover on the opposite end of the injection pump housing which can be removed to access the opposite end of the rack so that you can work it back and forth. If it doesn't take a lot of force to move it back and forth, simply moving it a little may free up the plungers. Probably need to turn engine over (slowly or decompress!) as you're moving the rack back and forth.

As you know the throttle control linkage doesn't move the rack directly. The rack position is a result of the balance between the force exerted by the governor flyweights and the tension of the governor spring which we change by moving the throttle lever. If the spring does not have enough tension to move the rack to a "fuel on" position, the engine won't run as you describe. On the other hand, if the rack is stuck at a fuel on position and the governor weights cannot exert enough force on it to move it to reduce fuel delivery, then the engine overspeeds.

It is possible you will damage the fuel pump plungers calibration if you get rough with a frozen plunger, so undertake this at your own risk and ensure that you have a way to effectively smother or decompress the engine to stop it if it runs away when you start it up after getting the rack moving smoothly.

I was lucky enough to get the rack free on a DW20 (D337F engine) we were working on a few years ago. That engine has some external linkage that was accessible so we could pry the rack back and forth and it was really stiff for the first time back and forth. I was at the point of saying "nothing risked, nothing gained", but it worked out fine.

Good luck!
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Mon, Feb 24, 2014 12:51 AM
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It may be possible to free the rack up by removing the governor cover on the end of the pump housing until you can get to the rod that connects to the rack. Then there should be a small cover on the opposite end of the injection pump housing which can be removed to access the opposite end of the rack so that you can work it back and forth. If it doesn't take a lot of force to move it back and forth, simply moving it a little may free up the plungers. Probably need to turn engine over (slowly or decompress!) as you're moving the rack back and forth.

As you know the throttle control linkage doesn't move the rack directly. The rack position is a result of the balance between the force exerted by the governor flyweights and the tension of the governor spring which we change by moving the throttle lever. If the spring does not have enough tension to move the rack to a "fuel on" position, the engine won't run as you describe. On the other hand, if the rack is stuck at a fuel on position and the governor weights cannot exert enough force on it to move it to reduce fuel delivery, then the engine overspeeds.

It is possible you will damage the fuel pump plungers calibration if you get rough with a frozen plunger, so undertake this at your own risk and ensure that you have a way to effectively smother or decompress the engine to stop it if it runs away when you start it up after getting the rack moving smoothly.

I was lucky enough to get the rack free on a DW20 (D337F engine) we were working on a few years ago. That engine has some external linkage that was accessible so we could pry the rack back and forth and it was really stiff for the first time back and forth. I was at the point of saying "nothing risked, nothing gained", but it worked out fine.

Good luck!
I would also take another look at that serial number, it could well be 88A, the 68A was the Glasgow built D8H between 1958 and 1973.
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Mon, Feb 24, 2014 1:38 AM
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I would also take another look at that serial number, it could well be 88A, the 68A was the Glasgow built D8H between 1958 and 1973.
thanks for the help, i think we are gonna take the injector pump and control in to a shop and have it repaired. i think the control is locked up and not letting enough fuel in the engine to get her to fire. i worked on it again today and we were able to get some more air out of the lines and she sounded like she was gonna fire a few times but never fully did. i also talked to a couple guys that used to work on these old tractors and they said that the pump and control should be removed and taken in to a shop. does anyone have any shop manuals on this tractor? if not if i can get the step by step procedure on how to take the injector pump and governor off that would also work. thanks
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Mon, Feb 24, 2014 9:28 AM
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thanks for the help, i think we are gonna take the injector pump and control in to a shop and have it repaired. i think the control is locked up and not letting enough fuel in the engine to get her to fire. i worked on it again today and we were able to get some more air out of the lines and she sounded like she was gonna fire a few times but never fully did. i also talked to a couple guys that used to work on these old tractors and they said that the pump and control should be removed and taken in to a shop. does anyone have any shop manuals on this tractor? if not if i can get the step by step procedure on how to take the injector pump and governor off that would also work. thanks
the tractor has a 330 engine in it
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Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:56 AM
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