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Greetings from Montana. I think the pony on my 1953 D4 is wanting a rebuild, but would appreciate advice. For the past 10 years I have had it, it has started every time with never an issue other than a finicky fuel system (probably because I only fire it up 3 or 4 times a year). Last fall, I saw blow-by for the first time - the dipstick started to dance and spit, but it ran well enough. Last week no blow-by when it first started, but as when it warmed up the stick started to dance and the filler cap was definitely under pressure. What i find strange is that when I do my usual pre-start roll the crank by hand and open the drain valves, there is just as much compression (nice puff of air) as there ever was. I hate to pull it apart - everything works very well, but am leery of starting it again without some expert advice.
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Fri, Mar 1, 2019 6:12 AM
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Might check the crankcase vent for blockage

verify you don't have fuel in your oil
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Fri, Mar 1, 2019 7:07 AM
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Might check the crankcase vent for blockage

verify you don't have fuel in your oil
check the crankshaft for play, and do a compression check on it
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Fri, Mar 1, 2019 8:27 AM
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check the crankshaft for play, and do a compression check on it
Good ideas, thank you. The rear seal has always leaked a bit, but the crank never has any play. I had not thought about the crankcase vent. I'll take a look.
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Sat, Mar 2, 2019 1:31 AM
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Reply to JJM:
Good ideas, thank you. The rear seal has always leaked a bit, but the crank never has any play. I had not thought about the crankcase vent. I'll take a look.


sounds like a plugged crankcase vent to me also. thanks for posting this.

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Sat, Mar 2, 2019 1:50 AM
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sounds like a plugged crankcase vent to me also. thanks for posting this.
well, I'm back - the weather and time finally cooperating. with good news and bad. The good news is that the crankcase vent is clear and very. I pulled the heads - water jackets very clean, cylinders are polished, but no ring wear or scoring - the head bolts were loose, though, but no apparently leaking. Compression is 30+ on both cylinders testing with a couple yanks on the rope (i'll try it with the starter when i get it back together). The bad news is: with nothing to fix, so I'm not sure what to do next. any thoughts would be appreciated.

while i have it apart, I will change the belts. Can someone provide the belt sizes or part numbers? 1953 D47U - i searched the forum, but no luck...
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Sun, Jun 30, 2019 4:44 AM
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well, I'm back - the weather and time finally cooperating. with good news and bad. The good news is that the crankcase vent is clear and very. I pulled the heads - water jackets very clean, cylinders are polished, but no ring wear or scoring - the head bolts were loose, though, but no apparently leaking. Compression is 30+ on both cylinders testing with a couple yanks on the rope (i'll try it with the starter when i get it back together). The bad news is: with nothing to fix, so I'm not sure what to do next. any thoughts would be appreciated.

while i have it apart, I will change the belts. Can someone provide the belt sizes or part numbers? 1953 D47U - i searched the forum, but no luck...
Try Gates 93890 for governor
Gates TR22425 for starter
Numbers are from the Gates cross reference website
Cat # 5B7168 governor belt
#6B5653 starter belt
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Sun, Jun 30, 2019 6:41 AM
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Did the dancing dipstick spit oil too?

Oil wasn't diluted with gas was it? If that was not the case, If it was mine I would pull the pistons, give the cylinders a hone, replace rings, gaskets and belts and be good to go for another 50 years.

I even rolled one piston to the bottom of the stroke, put a bead of grease around cylinder to seal the groove at top of piston and then honed a rusty cylinder. Cleaned it up with solvent to get rid of all the dust and put the head and new gasket back on. Definitely a shortcut but it runs as well or better than before and head gasket doesn't leak now.
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Sun, Jun 30, 2019 10:43 AM
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Try Gates 93890 for governor
Gates TR22425 for starter
Numbers are from the Gates cross reference website
Cat # 5B7168 governor belt
#6B5653 starter belt
Russ
[quote="43gpw"]Try Gates 93890 for governor
Gates TR22425 for starter
Numbers are from the Gates cross reference website
Cat # 5B7168 governor belt
#6B5653 starter belt
Russ[/quote]

Thank you!
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Sun, Jun 30, 2019 8:08 PM
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Did the dancing dipstick spit oil too?

Oil wasn't diluted with gas was it? If that was not the case, If it was mine I would pull the pistons, give the cylinders a hone, replace rings, gaskets and belts and be good to go for another 50 years.

I even rolled one piston to the bottom of the stroke, put a bead of grease around cylinder to seal the groove at top of piston and then honed a rusty cylinder. Cleaned it up with solvent to get rid of all the dust and put the head and new gasket back on. Definitely a shortcut but it runs as well or better than before and head gasket doesn't leak now.
[quote="43gpw"]Try Gates 93890 for governor
Gates TR22425 for starter
Numbers are from the Gates cross reference website
Cat # 5B7168 governor belt
#6B5653 starter belt
Russ[/quote]

[quote="ccjersey"]Did the dancing dipstick spit oil too?

Oil wasn't diluted with gas was it? If that was not the case, If it was mine I would pull the pistons, give the cylinders a hone, replace rings, gaskets and belts and be good to go for another 50 years.

I even rolled one piston to the bottom of the stroke, put a bead of grease around cylinder to seal the groove at top of piston and then honed a rusty cylinder. Cleaned it up with solvent to get rid of all the dust and put the head and new gasket back on. Definitely a shortcut but it runs as well or better than before and head gasket doesn't leak now.[/quote]

yep. it did spit oil out the dipstick. i have had problems with gas in the oil so i watch for that. when i did the compression test, i also did the oil in the spark plug hole test - compression improved for sure, so I'm all but sure it's the rings. The rear seal leaks a bit when i have to run the pony for long (starting the diesel at -20 takes a while) and the rust in the tank is a pain (but i just fixed that problem), otherwise the pony seems to be in great shape.

are you suggesting redoing the cylinders/rings without pulling the engine? In other words, just pull the top end off and do it in place. I have everything off to the point of changing the belts - so, there's not much left.

thanks for the discussion...
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Sun, Jun 30, 2019 8:27 PM
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Reply to JJM:
[quote="43gpw"]Try Gates 93890 for governor
Gates TR22425 for starter
Numbers are from the Gates cross reference website
Cat # 5B7168 governor belt
#6B5653 starter belt
Russ[/quote]

[quote="ccjersey"]Did the dancing dipstick spit oil too?

Oil wasn't diluted with gas was it? If that was not the case, If it was mine I would pull the pistons, give the cylinders a hone, replace rings, gaskets and belts and be good to go for another 50 years.

I even rolled one piston to the bottom of the stroke, put a bead of grease around cylinder to seal the groove at top of piston and then honed a rusty cylinder. Cleaned it up with solvent to get rid of all the dust and put the head and new gasket back on. Definitely a shortcut but it runs as well or better than before and head gasket doesn't leak now.[/quote]

yep. it did spit oil out the dipstick. i have had problems with gas in the oil so i watch for that. when i did the compression test, i also did the oil in the spark plug hole test - compression improved for sure, so I'm all but sure it's the rings. The rear seal leaks a bit when i have to run the pony for long (starting the diesel at -20 takes a while) and the rust in the tank is a pain (but i just fixed that problem), otherwise the pony seems to be in great shape.

are you suggesting redoing the cylinders/rings without pulling the engine? In other words, just pull the top end off and do it in place. I have everything off to the point of changing the belts - so, there's not much left.

thanks for the discussion...
I guess it depends on your confidence in the baseline condition, or what you are willing to tolerate. If you break it down to the block you could change the rings, clean out the water passages, check the bearings, reseal the crank, touch up the valves, etc.
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