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jonno
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Ive got a d47U with a winch on the back so Im guessing its been used for logging.Its got the 6 speed gear box but the gearing seems to be too high for the machine [6th gear probably 30mph!!!] even 1st seems too high. My question is does this tractor have a hi lo ratio or is this box geared high for logging.
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Mon, Sep 2, 2013 2:00 PM
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I raised a similar issues with my D47U in another thread and so far as I can tell the standard gearbox is quite highly geared. There were lower gear options which included some with two speed reverses. I have three gearboxes here and they are all the same even though they came out of three different aged machines. My local cat expert reckons mine has an agricultural gearbox, but I can't see how that can be the case. Check out my thread which includes some speeds which I intend to check against one day, with a GPS.

Like you I think 1st is just a little too high for comfort and 5th....well I've never been game to try it!!

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?19137-Why-Does-a-D4-7U-have-5-Gears
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Mon, Sep 2, 2013 3:02 PM
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Reply to Inter674:
I raised a similar issues with my D47U in another thread and so far as I can tell the standard gearbox is quite highly geared. There were lower gear options which included some with two speed reverses. I have three gearboxes here and they are all the same even though they came out of three different aged machines. My local cat expert reckons mine has an agricultural gearbox, but I can't see how that can be the case. Check out my thread which includes some speeds which I intend to check against one day, with a GPS.

Like you I think 1st is just a little too high for comfort and 5th....well I've never been game to try it!!

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?19137-Why-Does-a-D4-7U-have-5-Gears
[quote="Inter674"]I raised a similar issues with my D47U in another thread and so far as I can tell the standard gearbox is quite highly geared. There were lower gear options which included some with two speed reverses. I have three gearboxes here and they are all the same even though they came out of three different aged machines. My local cat expert reckons mine has an agricultural gearbox, but I can't see how that can be the case. Check out my thread which includes some speeds which I intend to check against one day, with a GPS.

Like you I think 1st is just a little too high for comfort and 5th....well I've never been game to try it!!

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?19137-Why-Does-a-D4-7U-have-5-Gears[/quote]

Thanks for the reply. At least I know now that the box seems to be the standard issue! A waste of a lot of gears in my opinion! A low range option would make a huge difference especially to blade work.
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Tue, Sep 3, 2013 5:16 AM
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[quote="Inter674"]I raised a similar issues with my D47U in another thread and so far as I can tell the standard gearbox is quite highly geared. There were lower gear options which included some with two speed reverses. I have three gearboxes here and they are all the same even though they came out of three different aged machines. My local cat expert reckons mine has an agricultural gearbox, but I can't see how that can be the case. Check out my thread which includes some speeds which I intend to check against one day, with a GPS.

Like you I think 1st is just a little too high for comfort and 5th....well I've never been game to try it!!

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?19137-Why-Does-a-D4-7U-have-5-Gears[/quote]

Thanks for the reply. At least I know now that the box seems to be the standard issue! A waste of a lot of gears in my opinion! A low range option would make a huge difference especially to blade work.
I had a 6U for quite a few years and the gear ratios seemed good to me. I used first for clearing trees and stumps, often used 2nd for knocking down a pile of material. Didn't have a use for 3rd and 4th, but only because I wasn't doing harrowing or other field work.

As for 5th gear, I used it a lot when traveling from the shed to a work area on my land. Five and half mph is just about right for traveling. Don't understand the hesitance to use 5th.

Jim
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Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:40 AM
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I had a 6U for quite a few years and the gear ratios seemed good to me. I used first for clearing trees and stumps, often used 2nd for knocking down a pile of material. Didn't have a use for 3rd and 4th, but only because I wasn't doing harrowing or other field work.

As for 5th gear, I used it a lot when traveling from the shed to a work area on my land. Five and half mph is just about right for traveling. Don't understand the hesitance to use 5th.

Jim
IMHO if the machine was stripped bare of the blade and winch and ROPs and then used only for agricultural work eg., towing disc harrows, on a downhill slope I could see 5th perhaps coming into play. But with a heavy blade (heavier than a D4D as far as I can see) and a winch and rope and a ROPs to boot, 5th is probably just a dream with 60hp to play with😊
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Tue, Sep 3, 2013 1:24 PM
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IMHO if the machine was stripped bare of the blade and winch and ROPs and then used only for agricultural work eg., towing disc harrows, on a downhill slope I could see 5th perhaps coming into play. But with a heavy blade (heavier than a D4D as far as I can see) and a winch and rope and a ROPs to boot, 5th is probably just a dream with 60hp to play with😊


Wheel tractors of that period usually had what was called a "road gear" that was just made for moving the tractor from one place to another in less time than a lower gear. Many would not even pull a wagon in the highest gear. I don't believe Cat engineers had anything else in mind for the high gear on their crawlers either--just getting the machine from one place to another. My 6U had a good heavy blade on it and took off and trotted along just fine in 5th. My 330 IH utility would not pull any load in high gear either. High gear was not made for working just moving. The D6s I have owned would not do any work in high gear. It sure didn't stop them from being tough working machines--it just meant they could move when they needed to.

Jim
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Tue, Sep 3, 2013 8:23 PM
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IMHO if the machine was stripped bare of the blade and winch and ROPs and then used only for agricultural work eg., towing disc harrows, on a downhill slope I could see 5th perhaps coming into play. But with a heavy blade (heavier than a D4D as far as I can see) and a winch and rope and a ROPs to boot, 5th is probably just a dream with 60hp to play with😊


If it can't pull 5th gear .Better look at an engine rebuild .
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Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:13 PM
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If it can't pull 5th gear .Better look at an engine rebuild .
We have made the mistake of overhauling a engine just to have it still start hard, stall easy ,need starting fluid to start when the engine is warm, and have low power, just to find out we had a bad fuel pump .After reading this thread it sounds to me like your problem is in your fuel system or governor. I would agree on level ground a D4-7U with a blade, steel cab, winch, rock guards and belly pans should move along in high gear at any throttle setting from one quarter to full with ease.
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Wed, Sep 4, 2013 3:48 AM
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We have made the mistake of overhauling a engine just to have it still start hard, stall easy ,need starting fluid to start when the engine is warm, and have low power, just to find out we had a bad fuel pump .After reading this thread it sounds to me like your problem is in your fuel system or governor. I would agree on level ground a D4-7U with a blade, steel cab, winch, rock guards and belly pans should move along in high gear at any throttle setting from one quarter to full with ease.
Hi Chumduffy,
I know of several engines that were overhauled and still did just as you described.
After the fuel injection pump lifter settings were adjusted to spec. the engines performed as expected !!!!
The lifter settings adjust the internal timing of the injection pump and therefore the timing that fuel is injected into each cylinder.
As components wear in the lifter/injection pump plunger system the timing gets retatarded and the engines get hard to start.
A proper adjustment of lifter settings can bring life back to an old engine in fair condition.
"Search" should find details of past discussions on this subject.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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