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nofear
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Hi all. I'm new, just picked up a new to me D47U 2 weeks ago. After getting her to new home and changing engine fluids, I started testing it out. She worked good for about 45 minutes. I first threw a track off (another topic later), but using a neighbors backhoe to pull the dozer sideways and rolling her forward we were able to get the track back on. About 10 minutes later the dozer would not move (she took a big bite of dirt) Raised the blade, still nothing. I let her idle, while I looked around, didn't see anything obvious. I went and got the tractor fired up to try and pull her out, hooked it up and no dice. But I was able to move the dozer about 10 foot, getting her to level ground and out of the mud.

After reading here, I got lot's of ideas.

Next I opened the top and lower inspection for the clutch housing. It was grimy and bit wet. I drained what was sitting in there and then closed it up. Then poured about 2 gal of diesel in, letting it run and sloshing around. It got most of the parts and 80% of the grime cleaned up. Drained the muck, tried to engage, no go.

Now when I say no go, if I engage the clutch 5 times. 3 out 5 she goes no where, 1 she might move 6", 1 she might move 2'.

So I'm thinking that it is the main clutch needs to be moved. Now I've crawled under her, and I'm trying to adjusting collar clamp nut bolt. If I'm on the right bolt, I cannot get it to budge with 25" breaker bar, nor a 4' pipe on the ratchet with someone helping me. I've tried both that bolt, and the nut on the backside of it. I've attached pictures (not the best) from underneath inspection, is this the correct bolt to try and loosen?

Other thoughts?
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Mon, Nov 28, 2016 7:17 PM
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First off welcome, and congrats on your D4 purchase.

As to your question, yes that is the correct bolt on the adjustment collar. You'll want to disengage the clutch before attempting adjustments. After you get that bolt loose put the tractor in gear and set the brake. Then turn the collar clockwise towards the flywheel. Snug the bolt up before you try your clutch to prevent stripping the threads on the collar. I don't remember the pounds of pull needed but the clutch should have a good pull and a distinct snap overcenter. Once you get it where you want it tighten the collar bolt up good.

Good luck and have fun

Bruce P
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Mon, Nov 28, 2016 8:04 PM
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Reply to Bruce P:
First off welcome, and congrats on your D4 purchase.

As to your question, yes that is the correct bolt on the adjustment collar. You'll want to disengage the clutch before attempting adjustments. After you get that bolt loose put the tractor in gear and set the brake. Then turn the collar clockwise towards the flywheel. Snug the bolt up before you try your clutch to prevent stripping the threads on the collar. I don't remember the pounds of pull needed but the clutch should have a good pull and a distinct snap overcenter. Once you get it where you want it tighten the collar bolt up good.

Good luck and have fun

Bruce P
Thanks Bruce for confirming for me.

For folks that have made the adjustment, is this bolt common to be seized? Any tips on getting it broke free? I assume I don't want to apply heat?
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Mon, Nov 28, 2016 8:20 PM
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Reply to Bruce P:
First off welcome, and congrats on your D4 purchase.

As to your question, yes that is the correct bolt on the adjustment collar. You'll want to disengage the clutch before attempting adjustments. After you get that bolt loose put the tractor in gear and set the brake. Then turn the collar clockwise towards the flywheel. Snug the bolt up before you try your clutch to prevent stripping the threads on the collar. I don't remember the pounds of pull needed but the clutch should have a good pull and a distinct snap overcenter. Once you get it where you want it tighten the collar bolt up good.

Good luck and have fun

Bruce P
Hey NoFear,

Welcome aboard...
Check the track that fell off. Look underneath and make sure the track is on the bottom rollers correctly. I suspect the track isn't riding on the rollers correctly and adding an extra bind, causing the clutch to slip. :eyebrows: Worth looking.

Glen
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Mon, Nov 28, 2016 8:20 PM
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Hey NoFear,

Welcome aboard...
Check the track that fell off. Look underneath and make sure the track is on the bottom rollers correctly. I suspect the track isn't riding on the rollers correctly and adding an extra bind, causing the clutch to slip. :eyebrows: Worth looking.

Glen
Thanks Glen, will check that to make sure.
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Mon, Nov 28, 2016 8:22 PM
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Thanks Glen, will check that to make sure.
i dont think they list a foot pounds pull for the clutch but just list it as "a distinctive snap" of the clutch.
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Mon, Nov 28, 2016 9:38 PM
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i dont think they list a foot pounds pull for the clutch but just list it as "a distinctive snap" of the clutch.
my maintenance manual says "distinct snap" over center, before 7U29881 adjust from bottom inspection cover--after 7U29881 adjust from top inspection cover
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Mon, Nov 28, 2016 11:39 PM
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I don't have the book in front of me, but i seem to recall that in one of my manuals it said that it should take roughly 35 lbs of pull on the end of the clutch lever to get it to snap over.
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Tue, Nov 29, 2016 2:20 AM
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I don't have the book in front of me, but i seem to recall that in one of my manuals it said that it should take roughly 35 lbs of pull on the end of the clutch lever to get it to snap over.
I would suggest you go on eBay and purchase an Operation and Maintenance manual. That will give you the clutch adjustment instructions plus all of the other things you need to know including servicing. While you are at it, order a parts manual too. Just make sure your tractor's serial number is listed in the range given on the manuals. On one of my older 7U series tractor (6670) I had no problem adjusting the clutch from the cover on the deck. If I remember correctly, you would use a 3/4 box end wrench to loosen the bolt to make the adjustment.
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Tue, Nov 29, 2016 11:37 AM
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Reply to Paso Bob:
I would suggest you go on eBay and purchase an Operation and Maintenance manual. That will give you the clutch adjustment instructions plus all of the other things you need to know including servicing. While you are at it, order a parts manual too. Just make sure your tractor's serial number is listed in the range given on the manuals. On one of my older 7U series tractor (6670) I had no problem adjusting the clutch from the cover on the deck. If I remember correctly, you would use a 3/4 box end wrench to loosen the bolt to make the adjustment.
Spray it with some PB Blaster or such the day before and let that soak in. Tap the head of the bolt with a hammer. Undo using a short but sharp motion on the wrench - idea is to turn the threads rather than twist them (the old brick hanging between two bits of string concept) but to use a short motion in case it really is stuck in there, so that you don't actually break the bolt. I sometimes hit the end of the wrench with a hammer (lightly) to get a rapid motion. You can also make a quick tightening motion first which can move the threads before turning it back out.
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Tue, Nov 29, 2016 8:37 PM
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Spray it with some PB Blaster or such the day before and let that soak in. Tap the head of the bolt with a hammer. Undo using a short but sharp motion on the wrench - idea is to turn the threads rather than twist them (the old brick hanging between two bits of string concept) but to use a short motion in case it really is stuck in there, so that you don't actually break the bolt. I sometimes hit the end of the wrench with a hammer (lightly) to get a rapid motion. You can also make a quick tightening motion first which can move the threads before turning it back out.
OK, you said it worked good for 45mins then as I read it all of a sudden it failed.

i would suspect it is related to throwing the track. As Glen asked are you sure the track is not bound, you should be able to tell how it acts when you are engaging the clutch.

I cannot understand why the adjustment would all of a sudden change that much.

However, it's probably a good thing while you are in the housing to work that adjustment bolt free anyway.

You can do all this from the top as I hope you have found out.

Release the clutch on the track you threw and see if the tractor moves albeit in a circle.
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Wed, Nov 30, 2016 8:59 AM
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