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EliG
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Would the track chains (rails) for a D4C XL interchange with the tracks on a D4 7U?

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Sat, Mar 12, 2022 11:33 PM
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no not as configured.

D46U straight blade,D46U cat angle blade,allis chalmers AD4 grader and Khoering 404 dragline. D4C 40A,D4 2T and scraper.

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Sun, Mar 13, 2022 12:29 AM
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no not as configured.
Okay, Is there any other later model track that will fit on a D4 7U, or that can be modified to fit on the D4 7U?
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Sun, Mar 13, 2022 3:39 AM
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Reply to Hank:
Okay, Is there any other later model track that will fit on a D4 7U, or that can be modified to fit on the D4 7U?
Berco should still be available, check with Mike at Zimmerman Tractor in Missouri 573-378-7210
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Sun, Mar 13, 2022 4:30 AM
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Reply to Hank:
Okay, Is there any other later model track that will fit on a D4 7U, or that can be modified to fit on the D4 7U?
No, The D4U 6.75" pitch uses 2" diameter bushings. Later models use 2-1/8" diameter bushings. A change in sprockets also changes sprocket diameter.
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Sun, Mar 13, 2022 4:30 AM
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No, The D4U 6.75" pitch uses 2" diameter bushings. Later models use 2-1/8" diameter bushings. A change in sprockets also changes sprocket diameter.
What if you machined .125 inches off the outside of the bushing? Would it fit then? I have a Machine Shop.
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Sun, Mar 13, 2022 4:49 AM
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What if you machined .125 inches off the outside of the bushing? Would it fit then? I have a Machine Shop.
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no need to machine anything. check your sprockets wear pattern and compare to the dimension of the sprockets for the chains with 2-1/8 inch bushings. there is a good chance the newer chains will work with your worn sprockets. you will need to count the links in your existing chain and probably have to have one or more links removed. look at the track spec for the d4d??? or get the berco chains with smaller diameter bushings. do compare the size of the shoe bolts because you may need to get new shoes or drill out the holes in your existing shoes.

D46U straight blade,D46U cat angle blade,allis chalmers AD4 grader and Khoering 404 dragline. D4C 40A,D4 2T and scraper.

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Sun, Mar 13, 2022 5:00 AM
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no need to machine anything. check your sprockets wear pattern and compare to the dimension of the sprockets for the chains with 2-1/8 inch bushings. there is a good chance the newer chains will work with your worn sprockets. you will need to count the links in your existing chain and probably have to have one or more links removed. look at the track spec for the d4d??? or get the berco chains with smaller diameter bushings. do compare the size of the shoe bolts because you may need to get new shoes or drill out the holes in your existing shoes.
You don't want to sacrifice bushing diameter. Cat recommends grinding sprocket root 1/8" if later chains are used......or as bursitis states, worn sprockets may be a close match fit. Grouser mounting bolts will most assuredly be different.
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Sun, Mar 13, 2022 5:58 AM
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You don't want to sacrifice bushing diameter. Cat recommends grinding sprocket root 1/8" if later chains are used......or as bursitis states, worn sprockets may be a close match fit. Grouser mounting bolts will most assuredly be different.
Okay, call me stupid. Is the a reason that you cannot use the grousers that fit the 2 1/8inch chain?
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Sun, Mar 13, 2022 7:18 AM
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Okay, call me stupid. Is the a reason that you cannot use the grousers that fit the 2 1/8inch chain?
different size bolts but you should confirm. the newer track groups had larger bolts. you can have yours drilled out?

D46U straight blade,D46U cat angle blade,allis chalmers AD4 grader and Khoering 404 dragline. D4C 40A,D4 2T and scraper.

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Sun, Mar 13, 2022 8:42 AM
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Okay, call me stupid. Is the a reason that you cannot use the grousers that fit the 2 1/8inch chain?
if you used later chains you would have to use later grousers too.

something to check is are the dimensions for the track links the same as the originals apart from the bushings as you dont want to create problems with the track rollers and the idler.

personally i would try and find those berco track links as they are the same size as original and it means less work/hassle later if you have to change any thing else in the track system as it just fits from the box.

by the way what is wrong with the original track chains. track links can be rebuilt, pins and bushes can be changed or turned. there is al-sorts of reclamation info for track gear in the members library. that applies specifically to this era of cat equipment

"i reject your reality and substitute my own" - adam savage. i suspect my final words maybe "well shit, that didnt work"

instead of perfection some times we just have to accept practicality

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