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Hello
I have recently aquired aD4 40a5196 .It needs afull service,can anyone tell what oils are in the engine clutch transmission and finals?Are jobber filters ok or is Cat original the only way to go?
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Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:08 AM
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i am not sure what a 40A is. the only good advice i can give you is to get
an operator and service manual. they are a wealth of information on this
subject. i would use cat filters if they are the spin on type. they come
yellow and look cool on the tractor. nothing wrong with cat oils, i use
chevron, but everyone has their faults.
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Sat, Oct 10, 2009 12:44 PM
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i am not sure what a 40A is. the only good advice i can give you is to get
an operator and service manual. they are a wealth of information on this
subject. i would use cat filters if they are the spin on type. they come
yellow and look cool on the tractor. nothing wrong with cat oils, i use
chevron, but everyone has their faults.
Tugger - The D4 40A is a wide gauge D4C, produced from 1959 to 1963, when it was replaced by the D4D.
The oils you use depend on ambient temperatures. For temperatures above 0°C (32°F) you'd use 30 wt oil or a multigrade such as 15W-40 in the engine.
For temperatures below 0°C use a 20 wt oil or 10W-30 multigrade. The engine oil change period is 250 hrs, and the oil pan holds 3¼ US gallons (12.5 litres) in "early model" tractors, and 3.875 US gallons (14.7 litres) in "later model" tractors. The S/N break for the "later tractor", larger oil pan is 40A3792.
This larger oil pan and increased oil capacity was designed to improve oil supply to the pressure lubricated engine parts, when operating on steep slopes.

The main (flywheel) clutch was a dry clutch as standard .. or the tractor could be fitted with an optional oil main clutch. If the oil clutch is fitted, it takes the same oil as the engine. If the oil clutch drags when trying to engage gears when very cold, you can cut the oil with up to 10% kerosene.

For the transmission and final drives, use 80-90 wt gear oil above 0°C, or 50 wt gear oil below 0°C. This oil has to meet GL-5 specifications, which is an "EP" (extreme pressure) rating.
Originally, GL-5 gear oils had sulphur compounds in them which were detrimental to bronze and brass components of transmissions and gear cases at high temperatures.
Virtually all GL-5 oils are now compatible with bronze and brass. The compatible GL-5 oil will usually have "MT-1" in the API rating, which indicates it's safe to use with bronze and brass, and is designed for non-synchro transmissions.
There are very few components in Cat transmissions and gear cases from WW2 on, anyway, that contain either of these metals.

The EP rating is critical to gear components that have extremely heavy loadings and sliding forces on teeth, such as in hypoid and spiral bevel gears.
The EP rated oils have the necessary additives to resist these huge pressures that would otherwise break down the oil film.

The transmission and bevel gear compartments in the D4 40A are one oil compartment .. it holds 6¾ US gallons (25.6 litres), and should be drained every 1000 hrs. There's no tranny filter on the D4C.

The oil clutch change period is 1000 hrs as well, and it holds 4 US gallons (15.2 litres). Remove and clean the suction screen in the bottom of the clutch at the same time.

The final drives of the wide gauge D4C hold 3 US gallons each (11.4 litres). The oil change period of the final drives is 1000 hrs as well, and when you drain the oils from the finals .. re-install the plugs, then refill them 2/3rds full of diesel, and then drive the tractor back and forth vigorously for 10-15 minutes .. then drain the diesel.
This washes out all the metal filings and tooth chips and prolongs final drive life.

Re the filters .. how good is your aftermarket filter guarantee? Will your aftermarket filter supplier rebuild your engine if their filters fail? Most aftermarket filters are built out of cheaper filter paper, with larger micron filtering ability, barely enough adhesive, and often thinner metal. All to save a couple of dollars!

Use Cat filters, they are not expensive, and they are built to higher standards than many other filters. Use fresh filters, don't purchase old stock or NOS filters off eBay. Filter paper degrades with time, and even Cat won't guarantee a filter that is more than 12 months old (storage time).
The old stock filters, and filters on eBay, can be years old, and you're risking engine destruction for the sake of a few dollars by purchasing old or cheap-rate filters.
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Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:14 PM
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Tugger - The D4 40A is a wide gauge D4C, produced from 1959 to 1963, when it was replaced by the D4D.
The oils you use depend on ambient temperatures. For temperatures above 0°C (32°F) you'd use 30 wt oil or a multigrade such as 15W-40 in the engine.
For temperatures below 0°C use a 20 wt oil or 10W-30 multigrade. The engine oil change period is 250 hrs, and the oil pan holds 3¼ US gallons (12.5 litres) in "early model" tractors, and 3.875 US gallons (14.7 litres) in "later model" tractors. The S/N break for the "later tractor", larger oil pan is 40A3792.
This larger oil pan and increased oil capacity was designed to improve oil supply to the pressure lubricated engine parts, when operating on steep slopes.

The main (flywheel) clutch was a dry clutch as standard .. or the tractor could be fitted with an optional oil main clutch. If the oil clutch is fitted, it takes the same oil as the engine. If the oil clutch drags when trying to engage gears when very cold, you can cut the oil with up to 10% kerosene.

For the transmission and final drives, use 80-90 wt gear oil above 0°C, or 50 wt gear oil below 0°C. This oil has to meet GL-5 specifications, which is an "EP" (extreme pressure) rating.
Originally, GL-5 gear oils had sulphur compounds in them which were detrimental to bronze and brass components of transmissions and gear cases at high temperatures.
Virtually all GL-5 oils are now compatible with bronze and brass. The compatible GL-5 oil will usually have "MT-1" in the API rating, which indicates it's safe to use with bronze and brass, and is designed for non-synchro transmissions.
There are very few components in Cat transmissions and gear cases from WW2 on, anyway, that contain either of these metals.

The EP rating is critical to gear components that have extremely heavy loadings and sliding forces on teeth, such as in hypoid and spiral bevel gears.
The EP rated oils have the necessary additives to resist these huge pressures that would otherwise break down the oil film.

The transmission and bevel gear compartments in the D4 40A are one oil compartment .. it holds 6¾ US gallons (25.6 litres), and should be drained every 1000 hrs. There's no tranny filter on the D4C.

The oil clutch change period is 1000 hrs as well, and it holds 4 US gallons (15.2 litres). Remove and clean the suction screen in the bottom of the clutch at the same time.

The final drives of the wide gauge D4C hold 3 US gallons each (11.4 litres). The oil change period of the final drives is 1000 hrs as well, and when you drain the oils from the finals .. re-install the plugs, then refill them 2/3rds full of diesel, and then drive the tractor back and forth vigorously for 10-15 minutes .. then drain the diesel.
This washes out all the metal filings and tooth chips and prolongs final drive life.

Re the filters .. how good is your aftermarket filter guarantee? Will your aftermarket filter supplier rebuild your engine if their filters fail? Most aftermarket filters are built out of cheaper filter paper, with larger micron filtering ability, barely enough adhesive, and often thinner metal. All to save a couple of dollars!

Use Cat filters, they are not expensive, and they are built to higher standards than many other filters. Use fresh filters, don't purchase old stock or NOS filters off eBay. Filter paper degrades with time, and even Cat won't guarantee a filter that is more than 12 months old (storage time).
The old stock filters, and filters on eBay, can be years old, and you're risking engine destruction for the sake of a few dollars by purchasing old or cheap-rate filters.
Sr. # 40A5196 would be a 1963 model.....near the end of production.
They didn't build all that many.
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Sun, Oct 11, 2009 12:22 AM
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Sr. # 40A5196 would be a 1963 model.....near the end of production.
They didn't build all that many.
Thank you very much for the information.
The blade lift on this machine is done with a single cyl.,similar to the green machines.Ever see this on a Caterpillar?It appears to be original.
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Sun, Oct 11, 2009 3:00 AM
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Thank you very much for the information.
The blade lift on this machine is done with a single cyl.,similar to the green machines.Ever see this on a Caterpillar?It appears to be original.
hello Tugger,someone posted this pic ? awhile ago ,bruce oz

[img]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7661/singlecylinderbladeond4.jpg[/img]
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Sun, Oct 11, 2009 3:10 AM
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hello Tugger,someone posted this pic ? awhile ago ,bruce oz

[img]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7661/singlecylinderbladeond4.jpg[/img]
I saw several of them at the dealer that we sold but they had a narrow blade and was used for pushing pans and if I remember right the push arms were inside the tracks.The D4 40A used the D330 4 cyl. engine which replaced the D315 in D4s.
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Sun, Oct 11, 2009 3:20 AM
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I saw several of them at the dealer that we sold but they had a narrow blade and was used for pushing pans and if I remember right the push arms were inside the tracks.The D4 40A used the D330 4 cyl. engine which replaced the D315 in D4s.
Thats the lift cylinder on my tractor. I have a C frame with manual tilt Cat angle blade. It does seem to give very positive responce on the blade.
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Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:03 AM
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Thats the lift cylinder on my tractor. I have a C frame with manual tilt Cat angle blade. It does seem to give very positive responce on the blade.
Regards
Dave
I think you are lucky to have found the single cylinder setup. I wanted to put one on my 40A but they are sort of rare I think so I made up a whole deal to put a D4D Low ground preasure hard nose instead. I saw a single set up once that had broken it's trans case where the frame bolts at the rear. Check to see if all the bolts are tight so this doesn't happen to you. I am sure I have all the books that pertain to your tractor. I have several service manuals and one thats pretty ratty that I paid only $20.00. You can have it for what I paid for it. I bought one of the cat repos and it just fell apart but I kept all the pages and always set a big socket or something on the page I am using when I am working on the tractor. I have had it apart a few times so I can clue you on most things. Never took the oil clutch apart but wouldn't hesatate if it need something. Charlie
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Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:44 AM
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I think you are lucky to have found the single cylinder setup. I wanted to put one on my 40A but they are sort of rare I think so I made up a whole deal to put a D4D Low ground preasure hard nose instead. I saw a single set up once that had broken it's trans case where the frame bolts at the rear. Check to see if all the bolts are tight so this doesn't happen to you. I am sure I have all the books that pertain to your tractor. I have several service manuals and one thats pretty ratty that I paid only $20.00. You can have it for what I paid for it. I bought one of the cat repos and it just fell apart but I kept all the pages and always set a big socket or something on the page I am using when I am working on the tractor. I have had it apart a few times so I can clue you on most things. Never took the oil clutch apart but wouldn't hesatate if it need something. Charlie
Am I reading right?? The 40A doesn't have bolt on frame rails. That started with the D4D's
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Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:20 AM
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Am I reading right?? The 40A doesn't have bolt on frame rails. That started with the D4D's
39A's 40A's had as an attachment for the single cylinder, bolt holes on the SIDE of the trans housing and the D4D had frame rails that bolted at the front of the trans housing. I will post some parts pages so you can see clearly what I am talking about. I made my own to mount the D4D hard nose and they have been on there for some time with no difficulties. Really had to have exating holes to mount them so everyone took the load evenly and a cross member under the tractor that caught the draw bar bolts under the trans like the single cylinder does. Charlie
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