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Inter674
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Opinions please.

I intended to replace my recoil spring bolt with high tensile threaded bar but was told today by our local Cat expert that I will most likey kill myself and that I am an idiot etc etc.

The threaded bar is 33mm in diameter, grade 8.8. I checked and the supplier said bull shit, it would take 60-100 tonnes to shear it, or more.

The rod that came off it was completely corroded, almost right through at one end - so my presumption is that if there are massive forces there, then the old one should have gone bang years ago.

Who's correct?

PS the posts about massive spring tension with these units does not line up with my experience. I used a 20t press which easily compressed the spring enough to cut off the original bolt head. I did secure it very well though!!
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Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:54 AM
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I have an extra D4 recoil spring bolt that looks to be in good condition. $100
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Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:04 AM
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I have an extra D4 recoil spring bolt that looks to be in good condition. $100
its more about doing a beefy weld around the flange end of the recoil bolt mate
that or use a nut and weld it on.
if i remember its 1 3/8 " rod which is a little larger then 33mm , just double check that first mate,

i ended up using 1 3/8 " round bar, having two square cleats laser cut with the round hole in the middle and then bevelled
the bar and the cleat and went to town with about 130 amps on 3mm rod.
seems to be doing just fine, though its only had about 2 hours work. : )

they can still be scary, especially if you are kneeling behind a dozer blade with your double gloved hand hand holding the oxy round the corner trying your best to blindly
cut a siezed nut off and waiting for the BANG and bits to fly across the yard... : )
always seems to be about the time the dog has smelt your fear and walks right in the path of destruction for a gander.....

it takes a fair bit of curry to do the nuts back up when you go to compress the spring again if you dont do it in the press.
the worry with pressing recoil srpings in presses is if they are bent a little out of shape from sitting on an angle once the recoil bolt breaks and slipping sideways once loaded.
the whole BOING and a spring sends itself sideways into your chest kind of scared me more then the oxy/ crouched behind the blade crapping yourself method : )
yours might not have been as out of shape as my ones though.
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Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:54 AM
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Reply to callan:
its more about doing a beefy weld around the flange end of the recoil bolt mate
that or use a nut and weld it on.
if i remember its 1 3/8 " rod which is a little larger then 33mm , just double check that first mate,

i ended up using 1 3/8 " round bar, having two square cleats laser cut with the round hole in the middle and then bevelled
the bar and the cleat and went to town with about 130 amps on 3mm rod.
seems to be doing just fine, though its only had about 2 hours work. : )

they can still be scary, especially if you are kneeling behind a dozer blade with your double gloved hand hand holding the oxy round the corner trying your best to blindly
cut a siezed nut off and waiting for the BANG and bits to fly across the yard... : )
always seems to be about the time the dog has smelt your fear and walks right in the path of destruction for a gander.....

it takes a fair bit of curry to do the nuts back up when you go to compress the spring again if you dont do it in the press.
the worry with pressing recoil srpings in presses is if they are bent a little out of shape from sitting on an angle once the recoil bolt breaks and slipping sideways once loaded.
the whole BOING and a spring sends itself sideways into your chest kind of scared me more then the oxy/ crouched behind the blade crapping yourself method : )
yours might not have been as out of shape as my ones though.
Looks like bolt 4B5439 updates to 6F6928 and is available from several sources, here is one to check out.

http://www.tracparts.com/products/6F6928.html
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Mon, Jan 14, 2013 11:42 AM
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Reply to josh:
Looks like bolt 4B5439 updates to 6F6928 and is available from several sources, here is one to check out.

http://www.tracparts.com/products/6F6928.html
I would doubt if the tensile load in the bolt is any more than 20 ton. My 941B was only 14 ton. I always double nut the bolt when under tension and handling it--the nut stripping is more of a concern than the bolt failing.
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Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:50 PM
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I would doubt if the tensile load in the bolt is any more than 20 ton. My 941B was only 14 ton. I always double nut the bolt when under tension and handling it--the nut stripping is more of a concern than the bolt failing.
I agree that the nut stripping is the major issue.

I have done more research and feel comfortable that the thread and nut arrangement is more than adequate - as the supplier said, it would take more than a 100 tons of force to shear the thread (and it would stretch first) and about 60 tons to strip the nut - which would act like a safety fuse limiting/guiding any explosive forces. I was able to easily compress the double springs to the correct length by lubricating the thread and turning the bolt and it showed no signs of binding or stress at all during this process - but I did stand back a bit - just in case - and will feel a lot happier when the whole shebang is installed in the frame!

In the end, the Cat part relies on a nut to hold the spring under tension and I doubt that the Cat thread is any stronger than grade 8.8.

The new thread and nuts are also galvanised and so should last a lot longer and avoid the problem of rusted and busted nuts.

The original set up was installed about 10 years ago and was very badly corroded - especially the nuts which were unable to be turned at all.

Thanks for the advice.
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Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:54 AM
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Reply to josh:
Looks like bolt 4B5439 updates to 6F6928 and is available from several sources, here is one to check out.

http://www.tracparts.com/products/6F6928.html
[quote="josh"]Looks like bolt 4B5439 updates to 6F6928 and is available from several sources, here is one to check out.

http://www.tracparts.com/products/6F6928.html[/quote]


is this place on the level they dont answer emails and i cant find their number any where on the web site. I am in need of the recoil bolt number 6f6928 has anyone ordered any thing from them?
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Sat, May 18, 2013 7:31 AM
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Reply to eric in gilroy:
[quote="josh"]Looks like bolt 4B5439 updates to 6F6928 and is available from several sources, here is one to check out.

http://www.tracparts.com/products/6F6928.html[/quote]


is this place on the level they dont answer emails and i cant find their number any where on the web site. I am in need of the recoil bolt number 6f6928 has anyone ordered any thing from them?
Doesn't seem to be much feedback when searching the net for trackparts.com
Found this number posted on the Heavy Equipment forum, might give it a try 1-318-235-3515.
Let us know your outcome.
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Sun, May 19, 2013 12:03 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Doesn't seem to be much feedback when searching the net for trackparts.com
Found this number posted on the Heavy Equipment forum, might give it a try 1-318-235-3515.
Let us know your outcome.
[quote="Old Magnet"]Doesn't seem to be much feedback when searching the net for trackparts.com
Found this number posted on the Heavy Equipment forum, might give it a try 1-318-235-3515.
Let us know your outcome.[/quote]
Thanks OM
tryed the number, answering machine at that number never received a call back. I am haveing a bolt company make one out of 4140
140$
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