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I have a D4 7U #11867. I recently changed the fuel filters. The replacement gaskets 7B7635 from Caterpillar were about half the thickness of the original gaskets. They are now leaking fuel. Not a lot but still should not be leaking. I am considering placing double gaskets to increase the thickness with perhaps some gasket sealant between the doubled up gaskets. I am also getting fuel in the crankcase and have researched many helpful posts about the problem on this site. I will be replacing the seals between the filter housing and the injector pump housing and between the pump housing and the governor. I will also check the seals and drainage on the transfer pump. This will also require the replacement of several gaskets between the various housings. Just curious if anyone can tell me if I can expect all of the replacement gaskets to be thinner than the original. Thanks for your help.
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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 1:29 AM
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Personally I don't like doubling up gaskets, if you can't find a thicker one then I would recommend finding some quality gasket material of the right thickness and making your own, I've done it myself on those several times. I've also found that it's not uncommon to have the top cover of the fuel filter housing warped a bit at the gasket surface, which can cause a leak like the one you're describing. Since it's just an aluminum cover it can easily warp a bit if the nuts are over tightened, which has usually happened several times during the past few decades of these machines' lifetimes. I usually do a flatness check on those covers every time I have one off for the first time. What I do is use a flat, machined surface like the top of my tablesaw and lay out a square sheet of fine sandpaper on it. You can then lay the gasket side of the aluminum cover down on the sandpaper and swirl it around keeping even down pressure on it. It won't take long to see if it's warped, you'll start seeing very clean metal around the bolt hole bores if it is. I just keep going till it looks uniform all across the gasket area and give it a good cleaning when I'm done. Plus a VERY thin layer of sealer on the gaskets doesn't hurt either.

Most gaskets I've bought from Cat have all been the proper thickness though, I know the last one I bought that goes between the injection pump and filter tower was spot on when compared to the old one.
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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 8:41 AM
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Reply to Sasquatch:
Personally I don't like doubling up gaskets, if you can't find a thicker one then I would recommend finding some quality gasket material of the right thickness and making your own, I've done it myself on those several times. I've also found that it's not uncommon to have the top cover of the fuel filter housing warped a bit at the gasket surface, which can cause a leak like the one you're describing. Since it's just an aluminum cover it can easily warp a bit if the nuts are over tightened, which has usually happened several times during the past few decades of these machines' lifetimes. I usually do a flatness check on those covers every time I have one off for the first time. What I do is use a flat, machined surface like the top of my tablesaw and lay out a square sheet of fine sandpaper on it. You can then lay the gasket side of the aluminum cover down on the sandpaper and swirl it around keeping even down pressure on it. It won't take long to see if it's warped, you'll start seeing very clean metal around the bolt hole bores if it is. I just keep going till it looks uniform all across the gasket area and give it a good cleaning when I'm done. Plus a VERY thin layer of sealer on the gaskets doesn't hurt either.

Most gaskets I've bought from Cat have all been the proper thickness though, I know the last one I bought that goes between the injection pump and filter tower was spot on when compared to the old one.
It also may not have been an OEM gasket. I've seen a few where they appear to be thicker than the new replacement. I do a similar routine as Toby described except I have a flat steel plate that I use for checking/flattening manifolds on by using the same procedure.
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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 5:37 PM
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Reply to drujinin:
It also may not have been an OEM gasket. I've seen a few where they appear to be thicker than the new replacement. I do a similar routine as Toby described except I have a flat steel plate that I use for checking/flattening manifolds on by using the same procedure.
I can second or third the sand paper and flat surface recommendation. I also glue the paper to the reference surface with some aerosol photo mounting adhesive. It really helps keep the work piece flatter as the edges of the paper will not be trying to lift, and it is easier when using wet or dry paper with some fluid to keep the swarf flushed out. I like to start with a grit that will knock off the high spots and then change to a finer grit if I want a smoother finish.
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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 7:10 PM
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I can second or third the sand paper and flat surface recommendation. I also glue the paper to the reference surface with some aerosol photo mounting adhesive. It really helps keep the work piece flatter as the edges of the paper will not be trying to lift, and it is easier when using wet or dry paper with some fluid to keep the swarf flushed out. I like to start with a grit that will knock off the high spots and then change to a finer grit if I want a smoother finish.
Thanks for the replies. Appreciate the help.
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Wed, Oct 29, 2014 2:22 AM
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Reply to blwatson:
Thanks for the replies. Appreciate the help.
How tight was the old gasket?And did you hit it to remove?Just helped son in law change filters in a 7u and the aluminum plate that holds the filters had been cracked and would suck air on a hard pull.Was very hard to see I could of missed it but he had seen a small weeping at idle.Other than hitting it to hard the only way I can think of is a limb slapping it or have a lot of water in the housing and freezing doing it.Good luck finding the cause of your problem.
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Wed, Oct 29, 2014 6:35 AM
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How tight was the old gasket?And did you hit it to remove?Just helped son in law change filters in a 7u and the aluminum plate that holds the filters had been cracked and would suck air on a hard pull.Was very hard to see I could of missed it but he had seen a small weeping at idle.Other than hitting it to hard the only way I can think of is a limb slapping it or have a lot of water in the housing and freezing doing it.Good luck finding the cause of your problem.
Just a thought, if the cover was loosened with a hammer, there could be a local swelling in one spot keeping the cover off gasket.
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Wed, Oct 29, 2014 7:13 AM
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Just a thought, if the cover was loosened with a hammer, there could be a local swelling in one spot keeping the cover off gasket.
Based on how the cover came off I think I just need to do the flatness check as suggested. I will check for cracks also. Will most likely just make some new gaskets with the proper thickness material. Gaskets I got before were from the local Cat dealer. May not get to this project till spring now. The cat is located in the mountains on a old mining claim we have in a pretty isolated area and we are expecting snow soon. We had a forest fire this summer and lost one of our cabins but I was able to get the cat out before it burned. Had to walk it out about seven miles. Did some work on the cat while I had it out of the mountains including changing the fuel filters and then took it back in. Now I am having more problems, mainly fuel in the crankcase. Perhaps I increased fuel pressure and flow enough to trigger this. I am a new member and have found very good info and good advise on how to attack the problem. Just wish I had the cat back in town to work on it. Thanks for all the help.
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