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chrismill
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Hello folks, I may buy this old cat D4 ser#7U35424. Needs some work but was thinking I could use it as is for a little work around small farm and fix things as I go. I know these things can turn into money pits but I'm thinking of keeping this thing long term to restore to a decent working condition not as a show piece. Not super familiar on these models but do have a older case track loader that Ive done some work to and I've been lurking on this site for a couple years now learning what I can. I know alot of the members here have been there and done that with these tractors so I wanted to ask a few questions if I could. Owner wants 3000.oo for it and it runs, pony motor runs, steers better left than right, main clutch needs some adjustment but functions. Sprockets look good, not pointy. top rollers look a little out of round and kinda worn, I'd say 4 of the 8 bottom rollers need to be replaced as they have broken/missing flanges one has a big chunk missing. Chain seems not too bad and grousers look very good. Anyway here are the questions and I try to post some pics soon.

1) I just measured the rail height with a tape measure and reads 3 9/16 or 3.56 then its 6 7/8 across 1 link or 27 9/16 across 5 links. On the link itself it is stamped "sealed 5k9457 cat r " Does any know how worn these sound or if they are replacements? there is about 5/16 space between pin boss and roller flanges on bottom.
2)On the engine block right below the exhaust manifold the head gasket seems to have just a little black gasket sealer? material thats squeezed out and hardened. Its not that noticable but wondered if this may indicate that the top end may have been rebuilt at some time or is possibly from the factory this way?
3)Also it needs new gauges all around, anyone know a good place to get replacements?
4) Should I walk away?
Also noticed the track adjusters were messed with and there is angle iron in where the threaded rod used to be. I assume that it was rusted solid and someone cut them out. No water in oil and no oil in coolant but needs a new cap and the filler neck is a little mangled but may be able to fix.
Any opinions and or help on my couple questions is greatly appreciated- Thanks, Chris
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 4:30 AM
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a rail height of 3.54 inches shows 50% wear on my chart

27.51 inches on 5 pins shows 75% wear

the track adjuster rods and nuts will be a bit of work to replace
Doe it have a dozer blade setup on it?
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 6:46 AM
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Reply to dpendzic:
a rail height of 3.54 inches shows 50% wear on my chart

27.51 inches on 5 pins shows 75% wear

the track adjuster rods and nuts will be a bit of work to replace
Doe it have a dozer blade setup on it?
I don't know where that info is coming from but my Cat Track Service Handbook shows that link to be 3.66" high new and at 3.56" it's 90.4% worn.

If you measured right with stretched rails 27.56" is 110 % worn.
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 7:58 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
I don't know where that info is coming from but my Cat Track Service Handbook shows that link to be 3.66" high new and at 3.56" it's 90.4% worn.

If you measured right with stretched rails 27.56" is 110 % worn.
Thanks for the replies, yes it has a dozer blade, my measurements were just done roughly with a tape measure I had with me. Hoped they weren't that bad though, tried measuring across five pin centers just as the tractor sat. Track seemed stretched tight. Does the "sealed" stamping on the links mean they are replacement tracks?
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 8:16 AM
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Reply to chrismill:
Thanks for the replies, yes it has a dozer blade, my measurements were just done roughly with a tape measure I had with me. Hoped they weren't that bad though, tried measuring across five pin centers just as the tractor sat. Track seemed stretched tight. Does the "sealed" stamping on the links mean they are replacement tracks?
Yes, originals were not sealed.
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 9:30 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
I don't know where that info is coming from but my Cat Track Service Handbook shows that link to be 3.66" high new and at 3.56" it's 90.4% worn.

If you measured right with stretched rails 27.56" is 110 % worn.
[quote="Old Magnet"]I don't know where that info is coming from but my Cat Track Service Handbook shows that link to be 3.66" high new and at 3.56" it's 90.4% worn.

If you measured right with stretched rails 27.56" is 110 % worn.[/quote]

These values are coming from Crawler Heaven website---i would assume the Cat handbook is more correct.
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 10:39 AM
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Reply to dpendzic:
[quote="Old Magnet"]I don't know where that info is coming from but my Cat Track Service Handbook shows that link to be 3.66" high new and at 3.56" it's 90.4% worn.

If you measured right with stretched rails 27.56" is 110 % worn.[/quote]

These values are coming from Crawler Heaven website---i would assume the Cat handbook is more correct.
O M do you happen to have that same info for the D2's
Thanks God Bless
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 12:11 PM
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O M do you happen to have that same info for the D2's
The Crawler Heaven charts do not seem to consider the actual track link part numbers and may only reflect the latest production versions.

Here is what I have on the D2....Also the same as the Cat 22 so I am told.
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 12:42 PM
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The Crawler Heaven charts do not seem to consider the actual track link part numbers and may only reflect the latest production versions.

Here is what I have on the D2....Also the same as the Cat 22 so I am told.
The new Cat numbers for the D2 match link height and pin wear of crawler heaven---which also matches a chart that Swishy posted and I printed in 2007
The 100% wear (service limit?) are a little different
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 7:39 PM
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Reply to dpendzic:
The new Cat numbers for the D2 match link height and pin wear of crawler heaven---which also matches a chart that Swishy posted and I printed in 2007
The 100% wear (service limit?) are a little different
It's probably close on the D2's because there hasn't been any upgrades to the links since new. Not so with other rails.
0.120 to 0.125" is the maximum allowable pin and bushing elongation for 100% worn on just about all of them.
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Mon, Aug 4, 2014 10:50 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
It's probably close on the D2's because there hasn't been any upgrades to the links since new. Not so with other rails.
0.120 to 0.125" is the maximum allowable pin and bushing elongation for 100% worn on just about all of them.
With those wear specs on the d4(thanks OM) and some other searching on the site, it seems that it would be a borderline decision to turn pins and bushings or maybe a case for new or better used ones. I'll try to get out and measure one more time to be sure. How about seeing a little hardened gasket sealer oozed out from head gasket? Does anyone know if that stuff was used at the factory or just the gasket itself, just wondering if someone has been in there at some point.
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