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cat60
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I was working the tractor fairly hard, it started to miss fire and pieces of aluminum came out of the exhaust. Why would that happen? The (no. 2) piston is melted into a nicely shaped dome, the rings are still in place, cylinder looks good (have not measured taper). The rod is larger than the cylinder and the assembly will not make the bend to come out the inspection plate. What do I need to do to get the pistons and rods out? The rod journal looks good, but again I have not measured. The injectors will need attention, how do they come out? I will also need to find parts.
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Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:12 AM
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Sounds like you got your exhaust temp a bit too high and melted the top off of the piston.

Sounds like the D4 is similar to the D2 in that the pistion/rod have to come out the bottom which means the pan needs to come off.

Kevin
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Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:18 AM
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Sounds like you got your exhaust temp a bit too high and melted the top off of the piston.

Sounds like the D4 is similar to the D2 in that the pistion/rod have to come out the bottom which means the pan needs to come off.

Kevin
In the 1950's Caterpiller used two piece pistons that had the aluminun top of the piston screwed on and held with little brass pins. My D4 7U sent little bits of aluminum up the exhaust stack with a fine spray of oil when the top of one piston came unscrewed. I would guess you have had a similar failure. I replaced all the pistons and few other parts that failed. It's bad news but can be fixed.
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Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:23 AM
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In the 1950's Caterpiller used two piece pistons that had the aluminun top of the piston screwed on and held with little brass pins. My D4 7U sent little bits of aluminum up the exhaust stack with a fine spray of oil when the top of one piston came unscrewed. I would guess you have had a similar failure. I replaced all the pistons and few other parts that failed. It's bad news but can be fixed.
So now it looks like this huh? Pull all the pistons and check the tops to see if they are loose as when I got my 7J apart I had another one loose. Check the rod for straightness too as you see this one bent.
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Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:41 AM
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Reply to n7gxz:
Sounds like you got your exhaust temp a bit too high and melted the top off of the piston.

Sounds like the D4 is similar to the D2 in that the pistion/rod have to come out the bottom which means the pan needs to come off.

Kevin
I did not want to do that, will the pan come off without pulling the engine?
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Wed, Jan 7, 2009 11:53 AM
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I did not want to do that, will the pan come off without pulling the engine?
Take the head off as it probably has some valve and seat damage too. With the head off the pistons and rods will come out the top so no problem there. I can,t believe the liner is damaged so you,ll see when the head is off and check the top of it.Don,t just put a band aid on it or you,ll have more expensive troubles down the road.
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Wed, Jan 7, 2009 9:10 PM
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Take the head off as it probably has some valve and seat damage too. With the head off the pistons and rods will come out the top so no problem there. I can,t believe the liner is damaged so you,ll see when the head is off and check the top of it.Don,t just put a band aid on it or you,ll have more expensive troubles down the road.
The head is off, the valve face is somewhat pitted but may be grindable. Seat looks good. I can feel that the cylinder does change size but there is no ring ridge. Is this typical? No. 3 piston is also pitted, I wanted to do rings and rod bearings and 2 pistons. My guess is that the injector(s) was a large part of the problem. The rod boss does hit at the bottom of the linner and there is a large chip as if someone else tried to force it up. Idea? (Both rod bolts are out) Does anyone know the alowable cylinder taper?
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Thu, Jan 8, 2009 11:01 AM
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The head is off, the valve face is somewhat pitted but may be grindable. Seat looks good. I can feel that the cylinder does change size but there is no ring ridge. Is this typical? No. 3 piston is also pitted, I wanted to do rings and rod bearings and 2 pistons. My guess is that the injector(s) was a large part of the problem. The rod boss does hit at the bottom of the linner and there is a large chip as if someone else tried to force it up. Idea? (Both rod bolts are out) Does anyone know the alowable cylinder taper?
Pistons and rods come out the top. If it won't come up and the big end of the rod hits then you have 2 choices. Take the liner and piston out as an assembly or cut the rod in half with the gas axe and take it out in pieces. Sounds to me like you need a rod too.
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Thu, Jan 8, 2009 12:43 PM
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Pistons and rods come out the top. If it won't come up and the big end of the rod hits then you have 2 choices. Take the liner and piston out as an assembly or cut the rod in half with the gas axe and take it out in pieces. Sounds to me like you need a rod too.
No ring ridge at the top of the cylinder with the taper that you have, indicates that the last ring job had been done not many machinery hours ago. The ring ridge was reamed at that time. If only our Cats could talk to us, the stories that they could tell us about their selves.
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Thu, Jan 8, 2009 1:21 PM
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No ring ridge at the top of the cylinder with the taper that you have, indicates that the last ring job had been done not many machinery hours ago. The ring ridge was reamed at that time. If only our Cats could talk to us, the stories that they could tell us about their selves.
I am still have some d4 rod
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Thu, Jan 8, 2009 5:56 PM
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I am still have some d4 rod
and you'll probably find that the water jacket is half full of rust and mud. That is what caused my D-2 cylinders to run hot and ruin a piston with the same end result as yours.
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Thu, Jan 8, 2009 6:34 PM
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