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Magard
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Hey all, I found a 7u with a bad engine that I can get for parts. It has a 5 roller track frame in really good condition thought I would put it on my 5t just wounded if it would interchange. Also how hard is it to change sprokets, my book shows a hydraulic service tool to pull them was wondering if a manual puller could be used somehow. The whole undercarriage looks to have very little hours on it.
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Thu, Sep 10, 2015 9:00 PM
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Think about fixing the engine. The 7U is better all around if you are going to work it.
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Thu, Sep 10, 2015 9:14 PM
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Think about fixing the engine. The 7U is better all around if you are going to work it.
What are the differences other than engine has a little more power. It looks like the clutch is linkage is different also.
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Thu, Sep 10, 2015 9:27 PM
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Think about fixing the engine. The 7U is better all around if you are going to work it.
Yes, the undercarriage will interchange.
Yes, you should have a hydraulic puller to R & R the sprockets.
Takes anywhere from 25 - 40 ton or more to get them off (if they are not loose on the hub) and 25 ton to put them back on.

Yes, you would be better off fixing the 7U. Parts are readily available.
Bearings for the D4400 are getting very difficult to find.
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Thu, Sep 10, 2015 9:36 PM
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Yes, the undercarriage will interchange.
Yes, you should have a hydraulic puller to R & R the sprockets.
Takes anywhere from 25 - 40 ton or more to get them off (if they are not loose on the hub) and 25 ton to put them back on.

Yes, you would be better off fixing the 7U. Parts are readily available.
Bearings for the D4400 are getting very difficult to find.
[quote="Old Magnet"]Yes, the undercarriage will interchange.
Yes, you should have a hydraulic puller to R & R the sprockets.
Takes anywhere from 25 - 40 ton or more to get them off (if they are not loose on the hub) and 25 ton to put them back on.

Yes, you would be better off fixing the 7U. Parts are readily available.
Bearings for the D4400 are getting very difficult to find.[/quote]

OK I'll look into the engine what would one expect to pay for overhaul.
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Thu, Sep 10, 2015 9:50 PM
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Reply to Magard:
[quote="Old Magnet"]Yes, the undercarriage will interchange.
Yes, you should have a hydraulic puller to R & R the sprockets.
Takes anywhere from 25 - 40 ton or more to get them off (if they are not loose on the hub) and 25 ton to put them back on.

Yes, you would be better off fixing the 7U. Parts are readily available.
Bearings for the D4400 are getting very difficult to find.[/quote]

OK I'll look into the engine what would one expect to pay for overhaul.
I paid 200 for each piston/liner assembly total 800 on a D3400 (same rarity) and 1000 for a crank grind and new undersize bearings. My own labor. Gaskets figure a couple more hundred if you want to buy them (many folks make their own)
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Thu, Sep 10, 2015 9:53 PM
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[quote="Old Magnet"]Yes, the undercarriage will interchange.
Yes, you should have a hydraulic puller to R & R the sprockets.
Takes anywhere from 25 - 40 ton or more to get them off (if they are not loose on the hub) and 25 ton to put them back on.

Yes, you would be better off fixing the 7U. Parts are readily available.
Bearings for the D4400 are getting very difficult to find.[/quote]

OK I'll look into the engine what would one expect to pay for overhaul.


That's a loaded question, depends on what the engine needs and who's doing the work. I figure to have $3k-$5K in a straight overhaul where I do most of the work, but then I'm fussy. If you have to farm it all out probably be two to three times that amount or maybe more.
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Thu, Sep 10, 2015 10:05 PM
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That's a loaded question, depends on what the engine needs and who's doing the work. I figure to have $3k-$5K in a straight overhaul where I do most of the work, but then I'm fussy. If you have to farm it all out probably be two to three times that amount or maybe more.


Old Magnet can you tell me the difference in a 5t vs 7u. I know the engine is different but what about clutch trans. finals I thought the rest of the tractor was basically the same. My 5t runs well cliches and steering are good.
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Fri, Sep 11, 2015 3:23 AM
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Old Magnet can you tell me the difference in a 5t vs 7u. I know the engine is different but what about clutch trans. finals I thought the rest of the tractor was basically the same. My 5t runs well cliches and steering are good.
The D4400 is 4-1/4" bore vs 4-1/2". Air cleaner and intake manifold are on the same side as exhaust, compression release is external to the engine. Different fuel injection pumps and fuel injectors, no option for glow plugs and has the earlier style pre-combustion chambers. It is possible to change out a D4400 engine for a D315 "U" model as well as putting the D315 in place of a D4400.
The D4400 has a different governor as well and seems to be a bit snappier than the "U" models.

"U" model's have a different steering clutch lever and main clutch lever arrangement and the pony fuel tank is under the hood. From the steering clutch levers on back the 5T is pretty much the same except later "U" models have split deck access to the main clutch.

Overall the D4400 has slightly less power than the D315 but they pretty much accomplished the same work.
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Fri, Sep 11, 2015 3:51 AM
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The D4400 is 4-1/4" bore vs 4-1/2". Air cleaner and intake manifold are on the same side as exhaust, compression release is external to the engine. Different fuel injection pumps and fuel injectors, no option for glow plugs and has the earlier style pre-combustion chambers. It is possible to change out a D4400 engine for a D315 "U" model as well as putting the D315 in place of a D4400.
The D4400 has a different governor as well and seems to be a bit snappier than the "U" models.

"U" model's have a different steering clutch lever and main clutch lever arrangement and the pony fuel tank is under the hood. From the steering clutch levers on back the 5T is pretty much the same except later "U" models have split deck access to the main clutch.

Overall the D4400 has slightly less power than the D315 but they pretty much accomplished the same work.
Thank you Magnet I'll just have to decide what I want to do. Pretty hard to go through a motor on a 7u that I don't know anything about. My 5t is good but that 5 roller track frame sure would be nice will dozing. Right now it has a four roller with Ag idler. Can you say ocean waves? Ha Ha...


If my 5t motor goes bad i could rebuild the 7u motor and put it on the 5t right?
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Fri, Sep 11, 2015 4:38 AM
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Thank you Magnet I'll just have to decide what I want to do. Pretty hard to go through a motor on a 7u that I don't know anything about. My 5t is good but that 5 roller track frame sure would be nice will dozing. Right now it has a four roller with Ag idler. Can you say ocean waves? Ha Ha...


If my 5t motor goes bad i could rebuild the 7u motor and put it on the 5t right?
Probably not a lot to stop you fitting the 5T motor to the 7U ..WE have an R4 with a 7U motor fitted .
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