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Farmer12
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Hi all, new to the forum but not new to mechanic'ing. I picked up this D4 last week from a guy that has owned it since new. His family farmed with it back in the day and its been moved around for years and he got sick of it being in the way. My gramps farmed with a D7 back in the day (which is what I was hoping to find) so I thought it'd be neat to have one around and kinda take him back. He was glad to see it when I got it home. But back to the machine, I'm pretty sure the main engine is locked, when i got it off the trailer I tried pushing it in gear with our 15K lb fork with no luck. I have the crank but its been sitting long enough some rust has formed around the housing and made it not fit anymore. The guy thought its been 10 years since its ran. They had filled the main engine full of diesel to hopefully avoid it locking up, but he didnt have the exhaust capped the best. The old soup can over it didnt cover very well. There is a mouse nest in the manifold and some surface rust. I haven't confirmed its locked with rust as if they filled it with diesel it could be hydro locked as well. Tracks and rails seem to be in good shape though.

What are some things I should know about this tractor? It is the ag cat as the front wheel is smaller than the rear, and it has the belt pulley. I dont know a lot about the pony motors, looks like just a rope start 2 cyl engine but I have heard they can be very tempermental. Where is the oil drain for it and is there a filter?

Both the steering levers are VERY hard to pull. I would assume theyre rusted but what should I look for or take apart to free them up?

I did order a operators, service, and parts manual for it off ebay.

Where can I get parts for this thing? In the event the engine is locked, where can I get an engine kit? I hear they have liners so I could do an inframe on it if the block is in good shape.

Thanks for any help, I have a cat 22 but it is nothing like this thing. I need to gain some knowledge.
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Mon, Oct 15, 2018 8:56 PM
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the pony motor has a drain tube on the right side--may have a hole in the engine side pane for it to drain thru---no oil filter so just change the oi with 30wt non detergent---drain the gas and check for full flow to the pony carburetor

check and free up all the steering linkage pivot points with loose juice and working back and forth

Cracked the drain plug on all the gear boxes to check for water, also pull the drain plugs for the steering clutch compartments

Check for full flow of diesel fuel to the transfer pump

Parts suppliers are listed at the bottom under library/parts
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Mon, Oct 15, 2018 10:35 PM
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The pony motor doesn’t have an oil filter and the oil drain tube is on the right side just in front of the pony. I bought my gasket kit for the pony from Olson’s gaskets in Orchard, Washington. A word of advice, if you can, give them the numbers for only the gaskets you need. I only used about half the gaskets out of the kit and could have saved some money if I’d have purchased only the ones I needed. I also put new bearings in my pony and had to order the mains from Florin Tractor in CA, the rest came from my local CAT dealer, however, Florin does carry almost all the parts you would need for the rebuild. Make sure you thoroughly clean and rebuild the carb. Lots of little passages that get clogged and will cause headaches of not cleaned properly. And as for the magneto, I’m running a Wico but in general, if the magneto isn’t tuned properly you’ll experience either intermittent spark or no spark at all. I went thru hell with mine before I got it tuned right. If the mag and carb are tuned and in good shape the pony should fire up every time.

As for the main diesel, if I were you I’d take the intake and exhaust plumbing off and make sure there isn’t any debris in the ports before trying to break the pistons loose. Does the pony spin freely? When I brought my unit home the pony was seized solid and the started pinion was stuck. Caused me to think the main was seized. I had a spare pony so I rebuilt it, installed it and the main turned freely.
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Mon, Oct 15, 2018 10:51 PM
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The pony motor doesn’t have an oil filter and the oil drain tube is on the right side just in front of the pony. I bought my gasket kit for the pony from Olson’s gaskets in Orchard, Washington. A word of advice, if you can, give them the numbers for only the gaskets you need. I only used about half the gaskets out of the kit and could have saved some money if I’d have purchased only the ones I needed. I also put new bearings in my pony and had to order the mains from Florin Tractor in CA, the rest came from my local CAT dealer, however, Florin does carry almost all the parts you would need for the rebuild. Make sure you thoroughly clean and rebuild the carb. Lots of little passages that get clogged and will cause headaches of not cleaned properly. And as for the magneto, I’m running a Wico but in general, if the magneto isn’t tuned properly you’ll experience either intermittent spark or no spark at all. I went thru hell with mine before I got it tuned right. If the mag and carb are tuned and in good shape the pony should fire up every time.

As for the main diesel, if I were you I’d take the intake and exhaust plumbing off and make sure there isn’t any debris in the ports before trying to break the pistons loose. Does the pony spin freely? When I brought my unit home the pony was seized solid and the started pinion was stuck. Caused me to think the main was seized. I had a spare pony so I rebuilt it, installed it and the main turned freely.
Ok good to know. The pony is free, and the pinion your are talking about is what engages the main engine when starting right? The one lever on the left side behind the long lever acts like it’s not attached to anything. It moves freely up and down. Are the steering clutch drains the big plugs on the back side kinda by the finals?

Anywhere I’d be able to find a radiator cap? It’s missing. The rad will have to come off to be boiled. It’s pretty rusty.
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018 12:12 AM
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Ok good to know. The pony is free, and the pinion your are talking about is what engages the main engine when starting right? The one lever on the left side behind the long lever acts like it’s not attached to anything. It moves freely up and down. Are the steering clutch drains the big plugs on the back side kinda by the finals?

Anywhere I’d be able to find a radiator cap? It’s missing. The rad will have to come off to be boiled. It’s pretty rusty.
the lever that engages the pinion will flop up and down if the pinion is latched and engaged

the steering clutch plugs are on the bottom of the case,--there are plugs on the rear to fill the final drives and there is a drain plug at the bottom of each final grive
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018 2:12 AM
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the lever that engages the pinion will flop up and down if the pinion is latched and engaged

the steering clutch plugs are on the bottom of the case,--there are plugs on the rear to fill the final drives and there is a drain plug at the bottom of each final grive
I’m sure you can call Chad Enyeart up in Wyoming and he’ll have one. I busted the filler neck cap on my tractor and he had one at a reasonable price. Google his name and Caterpillar and his info should pop up.
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018 6:31 AM
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I’m sure you can call Chad Enyeart up in Wyoming and he’ll have one. I busted the filler neck cap on my tractor and he had one at a reasonable price. Google his name and Caterpillar and his info should pop up.
How do I disengage it? I can turn the pony motor by hand.
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018 9:42 AM
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How do I disengage it? I can turn the pony motor by hand.
my 7u has an inspection plate by the left brake pedal over the pinion latch that provides access to the latches. Not sure if your older machine has this feature
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018 10:10 AM
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How do I disengage it? I can turn the pony motor by hand.


If your pony will start with the pinion engaged, you don't really need to disengage it. When the diesel engine starts it will kick the pinion out automatically. However some of them have enough drag in the pinion clutch that it is hard to start the pony, so for those, you need to punch the forward most end of one of the latches (the area where the adjustment screw is) and the pinion should disengage and jump forward. To check that it is engaged, move the pinion clutch lever forward and see if you are trying to rotate the diesel engine when you rotate the pony flywheel.
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018 9:14 PM
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If your pony will start with the pinion engaged, you don't really need to disengage it. When the diesel engine starts it will kick the pinion out automatically. However some of them have enough drag in the pinion clutch that it is hard to start the pony, so for those, you need to punch the forward most end of one of the latches (the area where the adjustment screw is) and the pinion should disengage and jump forward. To check that it is engaged, move the pinion clutch lever forward and see if you are trying to rotate the diesel engine when you rotate the pony flywheel.
Hi Farmer12,
To unlatch the latches you need to take the top clutch cover off and with a pair of multi grips ( plus a lot of swearing bursied forearms) you will in time get them unlatched, this is from first hand experiance.

Ps what is the serial number

Regards
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018 9:53 PM
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Hi Farmer12,
To unlatch the latches you need to take the top clutch cover off and with a pair of multi grips ( plus a lot of swearing bursied forearms) you will in time get them unlatched, this is from first hand experiance.

Ps what is the serial number

Regards
Unlatch the pinion with a crowbar or big screwdriver, you only need to push one side in as they are toothed together, DON'T put your fingers in there, if the latches let go, it can be very painful.
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Tue, Oct 16, 2018 11:03 PM
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