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CUMMINS
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I just had to put new friction disks in the trans of my D3B. My family bought the machine used, in 1992. We have not put 400hrs on it since then and it has 2700hrs on it now. Last year the trans pump went out and was replaced, within 2hrs the machine would plug up the filter screen with thumbnail sized pieces of clutch material, after running the machine and repeated having to clean the screen every few hrs, the trans was pulled and rebuilt. The friction material was peeling right off the disks in sheets, and the material still looked new, but was just dis bonding. I am curious as to what caused this, because the machine has not had a hard day in the last 25 years. This makes me leary of powershifts, since everything else I have is direct drive.
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Sat, Dec 10, 2016 10:44 AM
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what oil are you running in the transmission?
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Sat, Dec 10, 2016 11:27 AM
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what oil are you running in the transmission?
I'd take a good look at which discs were supplied last time. Some aftermarket are inferior.
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Sun, Dec 11, 2016 4:58 AM
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I'd take a good look at which discs were supplied last time. Some aftermarket are inferior.
Water is the enemy of the clutch linings in the smaller 'century line' machines and condensation over a long period is enough to make them de-laminate, change the oil regularly to help stop this sort of damage happening.
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Sun, Dec 11, 2016 7:58 PM
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Water is the enemy of the clutch linings in the smaller 'century line' machines and condensation over a long period is enough to make them de-laminate, change the oil regularly to help stop this sort of damage happening.
The machine has always had a 30 weight trans oil, but i had never noticed milky fluid. Are other machines this susceptible to friction disc failure, not related to wear. If looking at a used dozer it would be almost impossible to spot this type of failure, which is why I'm a lttle leary of powershift machines. there is a decent D4d for sale near me, which is quiet a bit older and has many more hrs. Are they prone to this sudden delamination of friction material.
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Mon, Dec 12, 2016 10:56 AM
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Reply to CUMMINS:
The machine has always had a 30 weight trans oil, but i had never noticed milky fluid. Are other machines this susceptible to friction disc failure, not related to wear. If looking at a used dozer it would be almost impossible to spot this type of failure, which is why I'm a lttle leary of powershift machines. there is a decent D4d for sale near me, which is quiet a bit older and has many more hrs. Are they prone to this sudden delamination of friction material.
Found the same issue on the steering clutch linings on a d4e (wet back end) that had been standing a long time before I bought it. Worked fine for 50-60 hours after which clutches started slipping. Pulled apart to find the linings coming apart from the discs. Suspect that Catsilver on it with water contamination or maybe poor quality aftermarket parts.
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Mon, Dec 12, 2016 11:46 AM
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Reply to Glum:
Found the same issue on the steering clutch linings on a d4e (wet back end) that had been standing a long time before I bought it. Worked fine for 50-60 hours after which clutches started slipping. Pulled apart to find the linings coming apart from the discs. Suspect that Catsilver on it with water contamination or maybe poor quality aftermarket parts.
Steering clutch discs should be sintered bronze face that don't delaminate.
The D3 series seems to be a condensate maker and are famous for leaking covers.
Should be using SAE30 TDTO (type TO-4).
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Mon, Dec 12, 2016 12:52 PM
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Steering clutch discs should be sintered bronze face that don't delaminate.
The D3 series seems to be a condensate maker and are famous for leaking covers.
Should be using SAE30 TDTO (type TO-4).
All machines larger than the D3/931/910 used sintered bronze clutch plates, any different are probably aftermarket and it was only the earlier machines that suffered this problem.
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Mon, Dec 12, 2016 3:41 PM
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Reply to catsilver:
All machines larger than the D3/931/910 used sintered bronze clutch plates, any different are probably aftermarket and it was only the earlier machines that suffered this problem.
perhaps you guys could help me with my D3B--since I bought it about 5 years ago every once in a while when i put it in 1st reverse there is nothing--go back to 1st forward and then back to reverse it engages--or put it in 2nd reverse and it engages--had changed the oil,filters and screen and fluid is not milky---adjusted the linkage according to the service manual also---got me baffled! :noidea:

1987 D3B--27Y03729
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Wed, Dec 14, 2016 5:18 AM
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perhaps you guys could help me with my D3B--since I bought it about 5 years ago every once in a while when i put it in 1st reverse there is nothing--go back to 1st forward and then back to reverse it engages--or put it in 2nd reverse and it engages--had changed the oil,filters and screen and fluid is not milky---adjusted the linkage according to the service manual also---got me baffled! :noidea:

1987 D3B--27Y03729
I think you'd have to run a series of pressure tests to sort that one out.
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Wed, Dec 14, 2016 8:21 AM
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I think you'd have to run a series of pressure tests to sort that one out.
yes come spring I will run pressure tests again----a number of years ago Bob/Ont had me run them---at idle all gears were 200psi except for R1 which was at 190psi---and at 1/2 throttle all were 360psi except for R1 which was at 340psi.
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Wed, Dec 14, 2016 8:44 PM
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