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jtboyt
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New member - found the site in searching to solve problem of D311 30KW (marine installation) suddenly starting racing out of control to max rpm{?} Am attaching pic of S/N plate - 5T95786(?).

Unit was installed aboard this 1947 boat prior to 1968 - and has been to go to source of 110/220 VAC power ever since. God would only know hour many hours. Runs great - until last week. Great unit unbeleivably reliable.

Problem would seem that something in the governor broke/disconnected so that governor spring maxed out(?). Started to dismantle by taking off safety shut off, governor cover, looking for a loose part (spring, weight, other?) in bottom of governor housing housing. Nothing there.

Am reluctant to take off whole governor before I do more research as do not want to get involved with re-setting rack and all. All the local CAT service guys are 1/2 the age of the unit.Any help welcome. all the pics anyone would need a available if that would help

thx - Jack Boyt

BTW - the other equipment in the engine room is of similar vintage - two Detroit Diesel 8V71's and a 2-53 10KW auxiliary generator

And have never understood the function of the "safety shutoff" - only function seems to be to jam it back in before trying to start the D311.
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Tue, Jun 19, 2018 6:03 AM
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Dont run the set until you get the gov to work, overspeed can throw the windings in the rotor, Do you have a parts book to see where the gov springs are at? Its no big deal to replace the springs. If you are not schooled in govs. it might pay to have cat do the job....WA7OPY
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Tue, Jun 19, 2018 6:28 AM
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Dont run the set until you get the gov to work, overspeed can throw the windings in the rotor, Do you have a parts book to see where the gov springs are at? Its no big deal to replace the springs. If you are not schooled in govs. it might pay to have cat do the job....WA7OPY
Thanks. I agree totally. Problem is finding someone who knows anything about a D311 in the LA area. Have had big problems in the past with clueless techs.
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Tue, Jun 19, 2018 7:06 AM
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First thing I believe you are misreading the serial number tag.

A D311 industrial engine series of that era that includes generator sets starts at 51B1-up. I have parts book covering up to 51B3139. It is very likely the series continued beyond 3139. Maybe OldMagnet has a serial number listing and possibly a parts book.

To start helping, we need pictures of the governor group. The ones shown in my book are two types of Caterpillar "basic governors" and some Woodward models. By the later series engines who knows what they had settled on as standard or were offering as optional equipment, but it is likely it isn't to different from these earlier ones.

The engine doesn't have a misfire on one or more cylinders does it? That would point toward an injection pump problem more than a governor problem. I realize a misfire is the least of your worries when an engine is overspeeding, but a stuck pump plunger will cause it. I recently dealt with a runaway D320 which is the turbocharged version of your engine. Since it hadn't been run in many years I was prepared to smother it by removing the air intake precleaner so I had a square cut tube to put a chunk of rubber belting over and cut off the air. I could control the rpm by varying the air intake while I loosened injector lines and determined which cylinder was missing so I knew which pump was stuck. Ended up pulling all 4 and cleaning everything up but it was nice to know which one was the problem. Of course choking off the air will cause it to smoke like an old coal fired steam train, but it might be deemed necessary for a short period even in California!

I hope you never had the occasion to get familiar with the operation of the safety shutdown system. The fact that you have to push it in or hold it in while cranking would seem to indicate that at least the oil pressure part is working since it trips when the engine shuts down. I am unfamiliar with the operation of those from the time of your set but they appear to be pilot operated valves that control oil pressure to overcome a "kill spring" force and keep the engine running until a fault occurs.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Tue, Jun 19, 2018 7:45 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
First thing I believe you are misreading the serial number tag.

A D311 industrial engine series of that era that includes generator sets starts at 51B1-up. I have parts book covering up to 51B3139. It is very likely the series continued beyond 3139. Maybe OldMagnet has a serial number listing and possibly a parts book.

To start helping, we need pictures of the governor group. The ones shown in my book are two types of Caterpillar "basic governors" and some Woodward models. By the later series engines who knows what they had settled on as standard or were offering as optional equipment, but it is likely it isn't to different from these earlier ones.

The engine doesn't have a misfire on one or more cylinders does it? That would point toward an injection pump problem more than a governor problem. I realize a misfire is the least of your worries when an engine is overspeeding, but a stuck pump plunger will cause it. I recently dealt with a runaway D320 which is the turbocharged version of your engine. Since it hadn't been run in many years I was prepared to smother it by removing the air intake precleaner so I had a square cut tube to put a chunk of rubber belting over and cut off the air. I could control the rpm by varying the air intake while I loosened injector lines and determined which cylinder was missing so I knew which pump was stuck. Ended up pulling all 4 and cleaning everything up but it was nice to know which one was the problem. Of course choking off the air will cause it to smoke like an old coal fired steam train, but it might be deemed necessary for a short period even in California!

I hope you never had the occasion to get familiar with the operation of the safety shutdown system. The fact that you have to push it in or hold it in while cranking would seem to indicate that at least the oil pressure part is working since it trips when the engine shuts down. I am unfamiliar with the operation of those from the time of your set but they appear to be pilot operated valves that control oil pressure to overcome a "kill spring" force and keep the engine running until a fault occurs.
I have the 51B3140-up parts book.
What governor and system does it have, Caterpillar or Woodward?
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Tue, Jun 19, 2018 9:52 AM
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Oh, please post pictures of the boat and engine room etc. We don't get many boats on here!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Tue, Jun 19, 2018 12:40 PM
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Oh, please post pictures of the boat and engine room etc. We don't get many boats on here!
Answering the request for boat pictures, here's one I did much work on many years ago
[attachment=49411]Horatia 2 x cat D336 engs 60B374 and 378.jpg[/attachment]
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Tue, Jun 19, 2018 4:22 PM
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Reply to catsilver:
Answering the request for boat pictures, here's one I did much work on many years ago
[attachment=49411]Horatia 2 x cat D336 engs 60B374 and 378.jpg[/attachment]
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Loss of oil pressure allows spring tension to pull piston 2L4728 and shut down rack.
Reset button/piston 4L7107 resets the rack by pushing the 2L4728 piston back to normal allowable travel.
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Tue, Jun 19, 2018 11:31 PM
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Reply to catsilver:
Answering the request for boat pictures, here's one I did much work on many years ago
[attachment=49411]Horatia 2 x cat D336 engs 60B374 and 378.jpg[/attachment]
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[quote="catsilver"]Answering the request for boat pictures, here's one I did much work on many years ago
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Catsilver, is it a life boat, harbor pilot boat or what. From the picture file names I gather it had twin D326 engines.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Wed, Jun 20, 2018 1:09 AM
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[quote="catsilver"]Answering the request for boat pictures, here's one I did much work on many years ago
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Catsilver, is it a life boat, harbor pilot boat or what. From the picture file names I gather it had twin D326 engines.
Since it over speeds it seems to me the prob is not the spring(s) but some kind of connection between the fly balls and the rack.
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Wed, Jun 20, 2018 1:29 AM
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Since it over speeds it seems to me the prob is not the spring(s) but some kind of connection between the fly balls and the rack.
Thanks to all for info - and will respond in order

ccjersey -
1. S/N correction: One survey reported it as 51B5184.
2. uploading pic of governor controls disassembled for overhaul - and governor interior from two angles
3. No problem with misfires (ran to engine room, shut down enigine in normal manner by releasing control handle to full stop position).
4. Tried as restart a day later - again raced so shut down immediately (less than 5 secs)
5. Maybe safety shutdown is to protect engine, not operator, and extends shaft outward once proper oil pressure achieved (?)
6. see pics at www.motoryachtmauretania.com - and have more from Mystic Seaport Museum from time of launch in 1947

oldmagnet -
- think you may be right on oil pressure but still haven't figured it out

cojhl2 -
- hope you are correct. Have been reluctant to completely remove governor (and having problem with last bolt - thru bolt hard to reach) as did not want to sign up for re-setting rack just yet

May have some help on the way - as was given name of a local with own business and supposed had 40 years with Caterpillar. Wish me luck and thanks for the input

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