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I have read alot of posts and searched the internet about single phase 110/220 wiring of D311 electric sets. Because of the condition of the ID plates I can only supply some information.

The unit is a D311 s/n 4V7151
It is a Caterpillar R-Series self regulating generator
It operates at 1800 rpm

The generator P/N is 2L321, serial number is 30RH3
The generator tag shows high and low voltage setting but because of the tag condition I can't read the settings and I believe they probably apply to 3 phase.

The exciter is a Century Electric Company Model DG-204-BCA-6-212724-01, Spec No. 54784, volts 62.5, rpm 3600, S/N R6, winding SPSH

It is a ten wire; wires numbered T1 thru T9 plus 00 (which I think is the neutral)
In its current state three pairs of wires are wired together; (5 and ๐Ÿ˜Ž, (7 and 4), (6 and 9)

Most information I have read, I believe, applies to the more common 6 poll 1200 rpm units not the 4 poll 1800 rpm units. Some information states you can use 2 of the 3 legs to get 110 / 220. One post states there is a permanent 'Y' connection (T10, T11, T12) burried in the stator which fixes the connection scheme as 'Y' only.

Please help. Can this generator be wired for 110/220 single phase use? If not is there a reasonably priced transformer that can be used to produce single phase power from this 3 phase electric set?

Any and all information is welcome.
Thanks,
Jerome
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Fri, Aug 21, 2009 3:27 AM
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I'm no generator expert by any means๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜‰ but here is some info that may be of help.
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Fri, Aug 21, 2009 6:52 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
I'm no generator expert by any means๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜‰ but here is some info that may be of help.
I'll repeat some of it here, but you probably should just go over to the SmokStak generators and electric motors forum and look at the FAQ under the main section.
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6

If you have 10 leads, you have a Y or "star" ONLY generator. You cannot reconnect for any of the single phase or delta 3 phase connections. This is because there is a Y connection between what would be called T10, T11, T12 if you had a 12 lead generator. This is buried in the generator stator on the lead end where the leads are spliced onto the enameled winding wire ends and then the splices and leads all laced down before the stator is dipped in varnish and baked.

With a 12 lead generator, you can reconnect for most anything from 120 single phase to 277/480 3 phase. You also have to configure the exciter/regulator system to function at the new voltage/phase arrangement. I have dug this buried wye splice out on one that I have, separated the Y, spliced on the 3 leads and relaced and revarnished everything, but I was not able to get the CAT regulator and exciter to function when the set was reconnected to anything other than the high/low 3 phase it was designed for. I could have bought an aftermarket regulator and exciter unit from Power Tronics or others, but the engine on the set began having problems and I haven't gotten back to that project in a few years now.

I would use the set connected Low voltage 3 phase and connect to any 2 lines and the neutral. This will supply 120/208 instead of 120/240, but most things will function properly on this power even if they operate with a little less speed as in the case of electric heating elements, or pull some extra amperage in the case of electric motors. Only occasionally will you have problems with a 230 volt rated electric motor starting on 208 volt single phase. Most times you can work around these situations if you watch for them and don't burn up your motor before you recognize there is a problem.

You are unlikely to damage the generator in any way pulling single phase power off 2 lines unless you exceed the rated amperage on any line. You will be able to do this quite readily since the engine is large enough to drive what is basically 2/3 of the standard generator load it was designed for without even straining much.

There is not a transformer that will improve the single phase capacity of this generator over just using 2 lines. You could use a transformer to go from 208 to 240 either with the whole output or just for a specific motor circuit for instance. If you can adjust the voltage, you can raise it a bit and run 127/220 or even a bit higher without any problem since most anything you might ever use on it is built to accept a 10% over or under voltage without problems.

The connections 4-7, 5-8, 6-9 which you mention indicate that the set is currently configured for high voltage 3 phase (or about 277/480) in a "series wye" connection. Low voltage would be a parallel wye connection with each line connecting to 2 terminals and 3 (really 6 if you count the buried splice) terminals connecting to the neutral. There is a link to connection diagrams on the SmokStak FAQ I mentioned.

Any questions or other information, come on back here unless you want to register over on the other board
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Fri, Aug 21, 2009 9:11 AM
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I'll repeat some of it here, but you probably should just go over to the SmokStak generators and electric motors forum and look at the FAQ under the main section.
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6

If you have 10 leads, you have a Y or "star" ONLY generator. You cannot reconnect for any of the single phase or delta 3 phase connections. This is because there is a Y connection between what would be called T10, T11, T12 if you had a 12 lead generator. This is buried in the generator stator on the lead end where the leads are spliced onto the enameled winding wire ends and then the splices and leads all laced down before the stator is dipped in varnish and baked.

With a 12 lead generator, you can reconnect for most anything from 120 single phase to 277/480 3 phase. You also have to configure the exciter/regulator system to function at the new voltage/phase arrangement. I have dug this buried wye splice out on one that I have, separated the Y, spliced on the 3 leads and relaced and revarnished everything, but I was not able to get the CAT regulator and exciter to function when the set was reconnected to anything other than the high/low 3 phase it was designed for. I could have bought an aftermarket regulator and exciter unit from Power Tronics or others, but the engine on the set began having problems and I haven't gotten back to that project in a few years now.

I would use the set connected Low voltage 3 phase and connect to any 2 lines and the neutral. This will supply 120/208 instead of 120/240, but most things will function properly on this power even if they operate with a little less speed as in the case of electric heating elements, or pull some extra amperage in the case of electric motors. Only occasionally will you have problems with a 230 volt rated electric motor starting on 208 volt single phase. Most times you can work around these situations if you watch for them and don't burn up your motor before you recognize there is a problem.

You are unlikely to damage the generator in any way pulling single phase power off 2 lines unless you exceed the rated amperage on any line. You will be able to do this quite readily since the engine is large enough to drive what is basically 2/3 of the standard generator load it was designed for without even straining much.

There is not a transformer that will improve the single phase capacity of this generator over just using 2 lines. You could use a transformer to go from 208 to 240 either with the whole output or just for a specific motor circuit for instance. If you can adjust the voltage, you can raise it a bit and run 127/220 or even a bit higher without any problem since most anything you might ever use on it is built to accept a 10% over or under voltage without problems.

The connections 4-7, 5-8, 6-9 which you mention indicate that the set is currently configured for high voltage 3 phase (or about 277/480) in a "series wye" connection. Low voltage would be a parallel wye connection with each line connecting to 2 terminals and 3 (really 6 if you count the buried splice) terminals connecting to the neutral. There is a link to connection diagrams on the SmokStak FAQ I mentioned.

Any questions or other information, come on back here unless you want to register over on the other board
[quote="ccjersey"]I'll repeat some of it here, but you probably should just go over to the SmokStak generators and electric motors forum and look at the FAQ under the main section.
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6

If you have 10 leads, you have a Y or "star" ONLY generator. You cannot reconnect for any of the single phase or delta 3 phase connections. This is because there is a Y connection between what would be called T10, T11, T12 if you had a 12 lead generator. This is buried in the generator stator on the lead end where the leads are spliced onto the enameled winding wire ends and then the splices and leads all laced down before the stator is dipped in varnish and baked.

With a 12 lead generator, you can reconnect for most anything from 120 single phase to 277/480 3 phase. You also have to configure the exciter/regulator system to function at the new voltage/phase arrangement. I have dug this buried wye splice out on one that I have, separated the Y, spliced on the 3 leads and relaced and revarnished everything, but I was not able to get the CAT regulator and exciter to function when the set was reconnected to anything other than the high/low 3 phase it was designed for. I could have bought an aftermarket regulator and exciter unit from Power Tronics or others, but the engine on the set began having problems and I haven't gotten back to that project in a few years now.

I would use the set connected Low voltage 3 phase and connect to any 2 lines and the neutral. This will supply 120/208 instead of 120/240, but most things will function properly on this power even if they operate with a little less speed as in the case of electric heating elements, or pull some extra amperage in the case of electric motors. Only occasionally will you have problems with a 230 volt rated electric motor starting on 208 volt single phase. Most times you can work around these situations if you watch for them and don't burn up your motor before you recognize there is a problem.

You are unlikely to damage the generator in any way pulling single phase power off 2 lines unless you exceed the rated amperage on any line. You will be able to do this quite readily since the engine is large enough to drive what is basically 2/3 of the standard generator load it was designed for without even straining much.

There is not a transformer that will improve the single phase capacity of this generator over just using 2 of the 3 lines. You could use a transformer to go from 208 to 240 either with the whole output or just for a specific motor circuit for instance. If you can adjust the voltage, you can raise it a bit and run 127/220 or even a bit higher without any problem since most anything you might ever use on it is built to accept a 10% over or under voltage without problems.[/quote]

The connections 4-7, 5-8, 6-9 which you mention indicate that the set is currently configured for high voltage 3 phase (or about 277/480) in a "series wye" connection. Low voltage would be a parallel wye connection with each line connecting to 2 terminals and 3 (really 6 if you count the buried splice) terminals connecting to the neutral. There is a link to connection diagrams on the SmokStak FAQ I mentioned.

Any questions or other information, come on back here unless you want to register over on the other board.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time๐Ÿ˜„
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Fri, Aug 21, 2009 10:22 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
I'll repeat some of it here, but you probably should just go over to the SmokStak generators and electric motors forum and look at the FAQ under the main section.
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6

If you have 10 leads, you have a Y or "star" ONLY generator. You cannot reconnect for any of the single phase or delta 3 phase connections. This is because there is a Y connection between what would be called T10, T11, T12 if you had a 12 lead generator. This is buried in the generator stator on the lead end where the leads are spliced onto the enameled winding wire ends and then the splices and leads all laced down before the stator is dipped in varnish and baked.

With a 12 lead generator, you can reconnect for most anything from 120 single phase to 277/480 3 phase. You also have to configure the exciter/regulator system to function at the new voltage/phase arrangement. I have dug this buried wye splice out on one that I have, separated the Y, spliced on the 3 leads and relaced and revarnished everything, but I was not able to get the CAT regulator and exciter to function when the set was reconnected to anything other than the high/low 3 phase it was designed for. I could have bought an aftermarket regulator and exciter unit from Power Tronics or others, but the engine on the set began having problems and I haven't gotten back to that project in a few years now.

I would use the set connected Low voltage 3 phase and connect to any 2 lines and the neutral. This will supply 120/208 instead of 120/240, but most things will function properly on this power even if they operate with a little less speed as in the case of electric heating elements, or pull some extra amperage in the case of electric motors. Only occasionally will you have problems with a 230 volt rated electric motor starting on 208 volt single phase. Most times you can work around these situations if you watch for them and don't burn up your motor before you recognize there is a problem.

You are unlikely to damage the generator in any way pulling single phase power off 2 lines unless you exceed the rated amperage on any line. You will be able to do this quite readily since the engine is large enough to drive what is basically 2/3 of the standard generator load it was designed for without even straining much.

There is not a transformer that will improve the single phase capacity of this generator over just using 2 lines. You could use a transformer to go from 208 to 240 either with the whole output or just for a specific motor circuit for instance. If you can adjust the voltage, you can raise it a bit and run 127/220 or even a bit higher without any problem since most anything you might ever use on it is built to accept a 10% over or under voltage without problems.

The connections 4-7, 5-8, 6-9 which you mention indicate that the set is currently configured for high voltage 3 phase (or about 277/480) in a "series wye" connection. Low voltage would be a parallel wye connection with each line connecting to 2 terminals and 3 (really 6 if you count the buried splice) terminals connecting to the neutral. There is a link to connection diagrams on the SmokStak FAQ I mentioned.

Any questions or other information, come on back here unless you want to register over on the other board
Thanks everyone for helping with information. I looked at the SmokStak information and it was also helpful. Wiring these GenSets is little past my experience and expertise and I needed the information that has been provided.
Jerome
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Fri, Aug 21, 2009 1:07 PM
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