D2 with blade weight

I was thinking oif doing the same but the maths don't add up. In Tasmania I can tow 3500kg with the LR, but the trailer weighs 800kg, leaving 2700kg max load.

My D2 5U without blade but with winch weighs well over 3 tonnes, so I can't carry it legally, and you will find the same problem as I'm guessing your machine minus blade will still weigh over 3000kg.

I had the Pickup Truck and Tri-Axle on the scale at the local junkyard, then the Trailer only.
Went home, loaded the 5J with LPC same as you.
Went back to scale, paper read ?????. Seems like for tractor and trailer, it was in the 13,000 pound (gross) range........
I asked him if his scale was right as it "SEEMS" a whole lot heavier than most people post.
BUT!
Numbers are usually posted as dry or ship weights not taking into account for Belly Pans, Transmission to Radiator Guards, Front Grill Protectors and Winches plus Fluids.
I think(?) that paper is still in the Truck somewhere?
I need to dig that out again???

My D2, a 5U with tool bar blade, 2 spool hydraulics, winch and belly pan is 5 ton.

drujinin, what do you estimate the LaPlante/Choate blade brackets on your 5J weigh? There's a whole lot of iron in those L/P units, so I'm still thinking that even with the angle blade and C frame removed they would still add a bit of weight over the bare tractor weight. Plus take into account the pump, lines, and that big reservoir and control.

For what it's worth the dry weight of a bare 5J tractor is 6,870 pounds without any attachments.

I just went through this equation when hauling my D24U 350 miles over the mountains to our little ranch. Here is what I came up with for estimated weights (based on Cat stats for the machine and my experience handling the other components with the machine apart) without the S2 blade and hydraulic cylinders:
Bare, dry base model 4U: 6650 lbs.
Skid Plate: 100 lbs.
Blade mounting "wings": 150 lbs. each
Hydraulic Pump Unit: 100 lbs.
Radiator/Hydraulic Pump guard: 100 lbs.
All Fluids and misc: 100 lbs.
Total for Machine: 7,350 lbs.

I recently bought a new double-axle trailer with a tare weight of 1,850 lbs. and a max load rating of 10,000 lbs.

The combined weight of the trailer and machine come to 9,200 lbs.

I towed it behind my GMC pick-up which is rated to tow 9,500. I was pleasantly surprised at how nicely it handled and how well the 5.3 liter LS motor and tranny handled the weight. We went over Snoqualmie pass at 50 MPH turning 3200 RPM and the temperature gauge never budged. Pretty cool for a truck that will get 22 MPG on a level freeway at 62 mph.

I had hauled the blade an hydraulic cylinders over separately- I would like to know exactly what the S2 blade weighs by itself, if anyone happens to know (Toby?)

Greg

Cat 2S blade -
40" Ga. 1,580 lb.
50" Ga. 1,660 lb.

Cat 2A blade -
40" Ga. 1880 lb.
50" Ga. 1980 lb.

Those are the approximate shipping weights listed in the parts manual, looks like it includes the blade brackets and hydraulic cylinders in those figures.

[quote="Sasquatch"]Cat 2S blade -
40" Ga. 1,580 lb.
50" Ga. 1,660 lb.

Cat 2A blade -
40" Ga. 1880 lb.
50" Ga. 1980 lb.

Those are the approximate shipping weights listed in the parts manual, looks like it includes the blade brackets and hydraulic cylinders in those figures.[/quote]

Thanks! That sure sounds about right.

G

Steve's weight of 5 ton would correlate to Greg's 4U weight.
As I remember those cylinder frames were too heavy for one guy to handle alone (150 pounds?), not including the triangle shaped piece which is probably around 75 pounds a piece. That's an additional 450 pounds conservatively. Even if the LPC adds another 500 pounds that would push it out to 10,500. Greg mentioned 100 pounds for liquids. Coolant 4 gallons equals 30 pounds, Oil 2.5 gallons equals 28 pounds, Trans, Final lubes equals 30(?) pounds, 8 gallons of Hydraulic oil (LPC) equals 56 pounds for a total of 140 pounds (ballpark). Now how much Diesel fuel is in the tank? 20 gallons? equals 140 pounds alone. I keep mine full all the time unless I am going somewhere that will fill it for me running it at their show. I figure that would push it to 5.5 tons.
Hence a 1/2ton pickup with squishy springs and squishy tires is not conducive to hauling a Tractor of this size.

Hey Gang,

There are so many different scenarios to consider when talking about hauling. Are the tires rated correctly? Is the tow weight being exceeded? Is the trailer rated correctly? Are the axles rating correct? Do the brakes work? Is the ball rating correct? Is the tongue weight being exceeded? Is it bumper pull or goose neck?

Many loads I see broke down on the side of the road are because of over loading one of the above. Tongue weight is so so important. A load that bottoms out the suspension is very dangerous. I know the tow vehicle can pull the load. Plenty of power. Can it stop? Can it handle a panic stop and sudden lane change in an emergency? This is where tongue weight is so important. I have seen many people try to haul a back hoe behind a pick up. Done all the time, but it's scary!!! I've seen them rolled over when the trailer flips on a panic stop swerving to avoid creaming into stopped traffic. All the rules of weights and ratings are there for safety. Many brag that they can haul way more than that, but it's that emergency stop that will tell the tale. When loads start exceeding the tow vehicle weight, you've got to be careful. Make sure the load is centered on the trailer distributing weights amongst the axles correct. Read the owners manual of the tow vehicle. Many state no more than 500 lbs tongue weight. Just be careful. A wreck surely will cost more than hiring it out if you don't have they correct combination. glen