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mog5858
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hi guy's got to doing my pup motor swich and found what i think to be a pulg off water jacket all full of crud. hear's a pic of what i mean can you guy's tell me a good way to clean this out or what it is. there was lost of rust and stuff in the hole i hope i can get it clean out. plus how common is it to see weld on the pup motors cus both my have bean weld the one run like a top but has bad bearing. the othere one i will have to let you know got to swhich out the mag as i only have one (need to get one more). thanks for all the help. martin

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Tue, Dec 13, 2011 8:13 AM
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From what I've seen it's pretty common having weld on the starting engines. Out of the 6 pony motors that I've owned, only 1 has not been welded (that's the one on my "new" D2, 5U9917). If it's not leaking I wouldn't worry about it.👍

As far as your blocked water passage, I'll let the experts chime in.....
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Tue, Dec 13, 2011 9:04 AM
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Reply to zootownjeepguy:
From what I've seen it's pretty common having weld on the starting engines. Out of the 6 pony motors that I've owned, only 1 has not been welded (that's the one on my "new" D2, 5U9917). If it's not leaking I wouldn't worry about it.👍

As far as your blocked water passage, I'll let the experts chime in.....
Take your finger and slide past that hole, down over the side (J series) there should be a drain plug. Might as well take it out now. Use a coat hanger, to work crud down to that plug or up through the plug hole. Then work it in toward the fourth cylinder also. I found that the bottoms of the cylinders were really full of crud which necessitated the use of a garden hose, an air hose, then a pressure washer before I was convinced that I had a third of the rusty muddy crud out of mine.
When all that was done then I ran a Citric Acid flush through the engine, some guys preferr a stronger acid.
Jeff
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Tue, Dec 13, 2011 10:18 AM
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Take your finger and slide past that hole, down over the side (J series) there should be a drain plug. Might as well take it out now. Use a coat hanger, to work crud down to that plug or up through the plug hole. Then work it in toward the fourth cylinder also. I found that the bottoms of the cylinders were really full of crud which necessitated the use of a garden hose, an air hose, then a pressure washer before I was convinced that I had a third of the rusty muddy crud out of mine.
When all that was done then I ran a Citric Acid flush through the engine, some guys preferr a stronger acid.
Jeff
thanks i will do some digging as right now water will not evein soak down thought that hole left over 24H that kinda sucks cus my shop has no water and it like 15 out and will be getting colder mabey. i will try shop vac, playing with water dose not sound like fun in the cold.
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Tue, Dec 13, 2011 12:18 PM
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thanks i will do some digging as right now water will not evein soak down thought that hole left over 24H that kinda sucks cus my shop has no water and it like 15 out and will be getting colder mabey. i will try shop vac, playing with water dose not sound like fun in the cold.
You could use a dull drill bit as a crud buster, just using it to grind away rust till you hit the casting. Might as well dig around in the pony jacket too as mine was pretty crusty also. The problem is that the water must come up that hole to the pony and out the top. With all the crud in the bottom of the cylinders it'll plug off again and again till you get it all flushed out.
I had the head off from my engine and sleeves out so I waas able to clean mine pretty well as there was about an inch and a half of crud down in there. Then I still acid cleaned it.
Feel your pain with the weather, I hate working in the cold.
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Tue, Dec 13, 2011 6:52 PM
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You could use a dull drill bit as a crud buster, just using it to grind away rust till you hit the casting. Might as well dig around in the pony jacket too as mine was pretty crusty also. The problem is that the water must come up that hole to the pony and out the top. With all the crud in the bottom of the cylinders it'll plug off again and again till you get it all flushed out.
I had the head off from my engine and sleeves out so I waas able to clean mine pretty well as there was about an inch and a half of crud down in there. Then I still acid cleaned it.
Feel your pain with the weather, I hate working in the cold.
Came across this--Kind of fun--Will help with the need to weld up pony blocks
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Wed, Dec 14, 2011 7:44 AM
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Came across this--Kind of fun--Will help with the need to weld up pony blocks
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On my 5J the one behind the oil drain line was a hex plug, so it is hard to tell its there and a pain to remove. I did put a drain cock/valve in it so I can wiggle a wire up there to loosen any precipitated out sediment. I did hook the pressure washer on right there when I was flushing the block to push forward the flush.
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Wed, Dec 14, 2011 7:08 PM
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On my 5J the one behind the oil drain line was a hex plug, so it is hard to tell its there and a pain to remove. I did put a drain cock/valve in it so I can wiggle a wire up there to loosen any precipitated out sediment. I did hook the pressure washer on right there when I was flushing the block to push forward the flush.
Jeff
Something real handy for cleaning the crud out of blocks is a couple of chunks of differing length of old speedometer cable core. Chuck one up in a variable speed drill (on slow to start) and start poking it into the various passages. It'll whip around and do a pretty fair job of loosening the crud. Then as you go deeper, use a longer length.
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Wed, Dec 14, 2011 9:19 PM
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Something real handy for cleaning the crud out of blocks is a couple of chunks of differing length of old speedometer cable core. Chuck one up in a variable speed drill (on slow to start) and start poking it into the various passages. It'll whip around and do a pretty fair job of loosening the crud. Then as you go deeper, use a longer length.
well guys thanks. ol grump i like your idea but i did a little twist on that and used old mig liner that i had laying around work good i think. when i went looking for the plug to drain could not find it but what i did find was a stick jamed in the hole. ( i have done the same thing one time when i was going on holidays and got a bad heater core hose from the block. got a dry stick and jamed it in when the hot water hit sweld up and worked great i drove my truck for 3 mounth's befor i got around to fixing it.) man was it hard to pull out well i broke it off and them drilled it out. not shere what the plug size was as the threads where bad worin so it now is 3/8 NPT brass plug. glad you guy stop me befor i got my pup motor on cus i would have to have pulled just to fix that plug hole. this summer when we get hot out again i thinking the presher wash is come out and the acid and get things cleand up. thanks for all the help and info martin
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