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D2 starter pinion not engaging

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Hi guys. New to the group. Went to retrieve a '38 D2 3j I had just made a deal on. A year ago it started and ran fine, but now the master clutch was froze up [almost have that resolved] and the starter pinion lever will only lift an inch before stopping solid. no gear mesh at all. All the while sitting in the shop. Will I have to pull the pony and remove the starter clutch and pinion assembly to fix this?

My most pressing question is should I drag it home as, or try to fix it on site? It would sure be easier to load if running, but I plan to make only one more 360 mile trip.
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Tue, Aug 28, 2018 10:43 AM
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Why not load it with a winch or heavy comalong and fix it at home?...WA7OPY
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Tue, Aug 28, 2018 10:58 AM
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Reply to WA7OPY:
Why not load it with a winch or heavy comalong and fix it at home?...WA7OPY
Why not pull start the D2 with another vehicle?

Just my 2 cents.....
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Tue, Aug 28, 2018 2:39 PM
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Reply to Tractorboy1:
Why not pull start the D2 with another vehicle?

Just my 2 cents.....
If it is truly in good shape, pulling it about 20 feet will get it started!
We push start an old Trackson every year that way!
If you fix where it is you need to unbolt the Pony to lift it so the gears will clear to get the Pinion out.
SEARCH Neil for his Thread as he has done this before and knows all the tricks.
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Tue, Aug 28, 2018 8:10 PM
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Reply to drujinin:
If it is truly in good shape, pulling it about 20 feet will get it started!
We push start an old Trackson every year that way!
If you fix where it is you need to unbolt the Pony to lift it so the gears will clear to get the Pinion out.
SEARCH Neil for his Thread as he has done this before and knows all the tricks.
have you soaked the pinion and lever/shaft with penetrating oil and worked it back and forth?
If it has only sat one year clutches and pinion shouldn't be froze up too bad
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Tue, Aug 28, 2018 8:15 PM
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If you have some room to run, PUSH it off so the main clutch difficulties don't result in a disaster and drive it around to break loose and polish the clutch up before loading, Be aware that the steering clutches are prone to stick (and worse) on D2s, so you might have no steering and no main clutch either! If I was going to do it i think I would push it off in high gear and have it chained securely to the pushing tractor so it has some load as well as some steering and emergency braking if needed.

If you aren't up for that kind of excitement, or there isn't room to do it safely, winch it on the trailer. I have loaded a dead D6 and a 212 grader before and while it isn't fun, you can do it if you have enough tackle! If you can get it loaded safely, you can work on the pony pinion at home on the trailer. Might be a good excuse to buy a nice hand winch that you will find plenty of uses for later. You can winch or jack up the dozer blade if it has one and chain it up quite easily with a chain around the cylinder mounts on each side.

Oh, part of your membership requirements is that you take pictures of the recovery and post them here! Just kidding, but we really appreciate going along for the trip so to speak!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Tue, Aug 28, 2018 9:47 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
If you have some room to run, PUSH it off so the main clutch difficulties don't result in a disaster and drive it around to break loose and polish the clutch up before loading, Be aware that the steering clutches are prone to stick (and worse) on D2s, so you might have no steering and no main clutch either! If I was going to do it i think I would push it off in high gear and have it chained securely to the pushing tractor so it has some load as well as some steering and emergency braking if needed.

If you aren't up for that kind of excitement, or there isn't room to do it safely, winch it on the trailer. I have loaded a dead D6 and a 212 grader before and while it isn't fun, you can do it if you have enough tackle! If you can get it loaded safely, you can work on the pony pinion at home on the trailer. Might be a good excuse to buy a nice hand winch that you will find plenty of uses for later. You can winch or jack up the dozer blade if it has one and chain it up quite easily with a chain around the cylinder mounts on each side.

Oh, part of your membership requirements is that you take pictures of the recovery and post them here! Just kidding, but we really appreciate going along for the trip so to speak!
Taking all the information ccjersy has given into consideration,it dose not take as much to pull start a Cat as most think.When you have to you try things and I have started a 9u D6 with a 4x4 pickup once. It was down hill a bit on hard dirt,but tractor would not coast on its own.
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Tue, Aug 28, 2018 11:17 PM
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Taking all the information ccjersy has given into consideration,it dose not take as much to pull start a Cat as most think.When you have to you try things and I have started a 9u D6 with a 4x4 pickup once. It was down hill a bit on hard dirt,but tractor would not coast on its own.
Many thanks everyone. I will probably pull start it to load. haven't gotten the master clutch to cam over yet, but i will. What is the likelihood it will engage and then not want to release? Question for you ccjersey. If the steering clutch levers feel ok when not running, can they still not release? Could be an interesting ride! If all the clutches stick, hopefully the throttle shut down works. Not very handy at navigating this website yet, but sure enjoy reading all the comments.
Thanks again.
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 7:53 AM
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Many thanks everyone. I will probably pull start it to load. haven't gotten the master clutch to cam over yet, but i will. What is the likelihood it will engage and then not want to release? Question for you ccjersey. If the steering clutch levers feel ok when not running, can they still not release? Could be an interesting ride! If all the clutches stick, hopefully the throttle shut down works. Not very handy at navigating this website yet, but sure enjoy reading all the comments.
Thanks again.
I have used a come along to load dead machines, and yes, it is a lot of exercise. Good excuse to mount that electric winch I have for plan B.
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 8:00 AM
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If the main clutch was disengaged and the difficulty is getting it to snap in as you pull the lever back, I would say you are going to be ok, just spray all the pivots and linkages with penetrating oil and fill the oil cups with oil to lube the bearings and keep working it. You might have to back off the adjustment if the linings have swelled.

The steering clutches may be ok though no guarantees. Lots of them stick, rust and swell so there is excessive free travel in the levers. Normal would be about 3" measured at the bottom of the grip but they could have been running with more or less when it was parked.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Wed, Aug 29, 2018 11:33 AM
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If the main clutch was disengaged and the difficulty is getting it to snap in as you pull the lever back, I would say you are going to be ok, just spray all the pivots and linkages with penetrating oil and fill the oil cups with oil to lube the bearings and keep working it. You might have to back off the adjustment if the linings have swelled.

The steering clutches may be ok though no guarantees. Lots of them stick, rust and swell so there is excessive free travel in the levers. Normal would be about 3" measured at the bottom of the grip but they could have been running with more or less when it was parked.
just a follow up on my D2. the seller delivered it on a car trailer with a winch. Someone had enlarged the access hole {still pretty darn small} to the pinion sleeve. I was able to get a punch on the end of the shaft, and after much oiling and hammering, success. The latches don't engage, but diesel starts if you hold the lever. Pony actually starts on one pull! With the diesel running, the master clutch cleaned up enough to cam over and away we go. Steering and transmission work perfectly. Now to fix the small stuff. Question- is the water pump packing a special part or more like a graphite rope? Where would be a good source for this or other parts? Thanks everyone for your interest and help.
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