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D2 Pony Starting/running Issues.

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I’m having problem with the pony on my D2 – 5U13247. Late last summer the pony started acting strange. When it would start it would run at speed until I engaged the pony clutch at which time the RPM’s would seem to drop to about half speed just barely turn over the diesel. If I opened the diesel rack and let it run that way it would eventually fire up but definitely longer then it should take if it was running at speed. I was working on it again today to get it fired up and it is doing the same thing. I’ve pulled the governor apart and everything seems to be working there. When it is running with the pony clutch disengaged the governor pulls off the throttle like it should and when I engage the pony clutch it is taking it to full throttle, it is against the stop pin. I’ve pulled the carburetor and made sure it is cleaned out and adjusted the float to 1-1/8”. I’ve pulled the magneto out and readjusted it according to the book. On thing on the magneto is when I got it adjusted with the timing mark on the fiber gear set the mark on the big metal gear was off one tooth from being straight down. Should the mark on the big metal gear be straight down or rotated on tooth?

When the pony does get going and I engage the clutch it does not seem to matter if I pull the choke closed a little so I don’t think it is starving for fuel and the exhaust appears to be clear not black like it was getting too much fuel. I’ve also cracked the intake pipe loose from the top of the carburetor to see if it was starving for air and that did not seem to make any difference either.

Anyone of any suggestions on were to look for problems?

Kevin
D2 5U13247 Direct electric start, #44hyd, 2S blade, Hyster D2N
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Mon, May 11, 2009 8:02 AM
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Hi, check your fuel line from the tank to the carb, those tanks get sediment and scale in them from condensation and lodge in the fuel line and shut-off valve. remove the line at the carb and shut-off valve and blow it out with compressed air. should take care of it. also check the screen in the shut-off valve. Thats a common problem, the engine is just not getting enough fuel to run faster, just enough to run at idle or half speed.
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Mon, May 11, 2009 8:54 AM
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Hi, check your fuel line from the tank to the carb, those tanks get sediment and scale in them from condensation and lodge in the fuel line and shut-off valve. remove the line at the carb and shut-off valve and blow it out with compressed air. should take care of it. also check the screen in the shut-off valve. Thats a common problem, the engine is just not getting enough fuel to run faster, just enough to run at idle or half speed.
You can also add a sediment bowl under the tank if it doesn't have one. Cat now has the metal ones instead of the old glass type. Forgot the part # though.
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Mon, May 11, 2009 8:59 AM
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You can also add a sediment bowl under the tank if it doesn't have one. Cat now has the metal ones instead of the old glass type. Forgot the part # though.
Thanks guys I'll give that a try. The tank does have the sediment bowl, glass type on it. I took the bowl off and cleaned it out, it did have some crud in it fine stuff nothing large.

Kevin
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Mon, May 11, 2009 9:58 AM
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Thanks guys I'll give that a try. The tank does have the sediment bowl, glass type on it. I took the bowl off and cleaned it out, it did have some crud in it fine stuff nothing large.

Kevin
Kevin - Have you checked your pony oil for gasoline dilution? If the fuel tap has been left on at any time, gas will flow through the engine and dilute the oil.
Oil diluted with gas can't lube like undiluted oil, and if it is diluted, it doesn't take long for the pony bearings to beat out, and then a rod comes through the block.
This is the most common cause of pony death, and I have seen many like it. If the oil is diluted, the lack of lubricity may be pulling the pony revs down under load.
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Mon, May 11, 2009 10:18 AM
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I agree with Rome,

If you have a gas shut off valve by the pony clutch, take it apart. There is a screen in them that get's plugged restricting the flow-glen
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Mon, May 11, 2009 10:36 AM
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I agree with Rome,

If you have a gas shut off valve by the pony clutch, take it apart. There is a screen in them that get's plugged restricting the flow-glen
As OZ suggested always turn the gas off and also let it stall out using up the gas left in the carb., don,t just turn the switch off to stop it. That goes for all starting engines and left on it is a killer for an engine caused from dilution of the oil by the gas diluting the oil caused by gas seeping down in the oil from vibration of the float etc. in the carb.I have seen them from dilution to not even want to start and just changing the oil it would start right up then.Again shut off gas and let it stall out after burning all the gas up in the carb.
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Mon, May 11, 2009 5:21 PM
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As OZ suggested always turn the gas off and also let it stall out using up the gas left in the carb., don,t just turn the switch off to stop it. That goes for all starting engines and left on it is a killer for an engine caused from dilution of the oil by the gas diluting the oil caused by gas seeping down in the oil from vibration of the float etc. in the carb.I have seen them from dilution to not even want to start and just changing the oil it would start right up then.Again shut off gas and let it stall out after burning all the gas up in the carb.
I've changed the oil in the pony and what came out was a bit on the thin side just eyeballing it. I do shut off the fuel and let the pony burn off the gas left in the carb.

This afternoon I blow out the fuel lines from the tank to the carb. It started up real nice but still did not want to run up to speed.

Kevin
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Tue, May 12, 2009 8:02 AM
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I've changed the oil in the pony and what came out was a bit on the thin side just eyeballing it. I do shut off the fuel and let the pony burn off the gas left in the carb.

This afternoon I blow out the fuel lines from the tank to the carb. It started up real nice but still did not want to run up to speed.

Kevin
After rebuild of the main on my D2, pony started having a problem like your discribing. The best discription I can up with is it sort of wanted to run. Would Idle, but as it got warmer it got worse. While trying to get a handle on the problem, I noticed that I was getting blow back through carb. Checked compression, a little low but even. I rebuilt carb, fresh oil, ect. No go. Finaly pulled pony and pulled apart. Found rods bearings past clearance limits and the mains at limit. Got as amny new parts as possible, rod bearings, rings, honed cylinders, and ground valves. Compression back up, runs much better. I know I didn't fix the way would have liked, but for a tractor that gets 50 to 60 hours use a year, I had spent enough $$ on the main already.

Hope this helps
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Tue, May 12, 2009 5:42 PM
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After rebuild of the main on my D2, pony started having a problem like your discribing. The best discription I can up with is it sort of wanted to run. Would Idle, but as it got warmer it got worse. While trying to get a handle on the problem, I noticed that I was getting blow back through carb. Checked compression, a little low but even. I rebuilt carb, fresh oil, ect. No go. Finaly pulled pony and pulled apart. Found rods bearings past clearance limits and the mains at limit. Got as amny new parts as possible, rod bearings, rings, honed cylinders, and ground valves. Compression back up, runs much better. I know I didn't fix the way would have liked, but for a tractor that gets 50 to 60 hours use a year, I had spent enough $$ on the main already.

Hope this helps
Tim
Many times I,ve seen low power caused by too lean a mixture in the carb. so just a high speed needle adjustment will help.Talking about the float setting,I have rebuilt dozens of them and I always put the float in place and then turn the bowl with the float in place upside down (horizonal) so the float was parallel and sticking up in the air and adjust the float so it,s parallel with the bowl base and they always worked perfect.
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Tue, May 12, 2009 6:23 PM
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Many times I,ve seen low power caused by too lean a mixture in the carb. so just a high speed needle adjustment will help.Talking about the float setting,I have rebuilt dozens of them and I always put the float in place and then turn the bowl with the float in place upside down (horizonal) so the float was parallel and sticking up in the air and adjust the float so it,s parallel with the bowl base and they always worked perfect.
If you've had the mag off, there's a possibility you may have it off by one tooth. If I remember correctly, some used helical gears instead of straight cut gears and it's easy to miss by one tooth when putting 'em back on. Been there and done that, scratched my head for a while 'cuz it didn't run worth a darn. Line the timing marks on mag gear and cam gear per spec and disregard the scribe mark.

The fuel system could be gunked up anywhere from the tank all the way to the carb. Clean the tank, check the shutoff valve, the fuel line, sediment bowl and screen, etc.
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Tue, May 12, 2009 8:50 PM
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