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D2 pony motor questions

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mcclaar
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A little background... Last fall when I put the D2 away the pony was running great. It would start really easy and it would idle down just fine. However, this spring the pony motor has been very hard starting and i'm wondering what I should check.

I've got good cranking speed from the electric starter and pulling the spark plugs I find they are both bone dry. To get it running I have been pulling one of the spark plugs and putting a little gas in one of the cylinders and it will start right up and run but wants to die if I try to idle it down.

Since the pony will run and crank the main engine I'm thinking the fuel flow from the tank to the carb is sufficient. I'm also thinking I've got a good spark from the magneto and has decent compression because it will run under a load.

As said before it started easy and would idle last fall. When shutting the pony engine off I always shut the fuel valve and let it burn all the gas out of the carb.

Any ideas?
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Sounds like dirt or maybe water in the carb , yes you sound about right if it ran and then quit then you would think its not getting enough gas!!!! but won't harm to go right thru it empty the tank and blow out the lines,as you will have to take the tank of to get to the carb , be very careful if you separate the float bowl from the main body there is a thin brass jet that goes right thru they are easy to snap off!!!! hope this helps....
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Sounds like dirt or maybe water in the carb , yes you sound about right if it ran and then quit then you would think its not getting enough gas!!!! but won't harm to go right thru it empty the tank and blow out the lines,as you will have to take the tank of to get to the carb , be very careful if you separate the float bowl from the main body there is a thin brass jet that goes right thru they are easy to snap off!!!! hope this helps....
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If the lead plugs in the carb have not been drilled out and the passages cleaned they are probably plugged or near so. Its amazing what cleaning them does for idle and starting.
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If the lead plugs in the carb have not been drilled out and the passages cleaned they are probably plugged or near so. Its amazing what cleaning them does for idle and starting.
Sounds like the carb passages are restricted. Idle circuit? Will it start and run with the choke pulled out? How many valves are between the tank and the carb? Do you have a metal edge type filter at the tank valve. Have you verified a good flow from the tank to carb? One check that wouldn't take a lot disassembly is to remove the carb bowl cover and check the float for free motion, as nd the bowl for debris in the bottom. Could shoot carb cleaner down some of the passages. One step more would be to remove the bowl and clean those passages well
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mcclaar
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Sounds like the carb passages are restricted. Idle circuit? Will it start and run with the choke pulled out? How many valves are between the tank and the carb? Do you have a metal edge type filter at the tank valve. Have you verified a good flow from the tank to carb? One check that wouldn't take a lot disassembly is to remove the carb bowl cover and check the float for free motion, as nd the bowl for debris in the bottom. Could shoot carb cleaner down some of the passages. One step more would be to remove the bowl and clean those passages well
Couple more questions....

1. How much flywheel slop is normal?

2. I was searching on here for pictures of a pony carb rebuild and came across a thread where the guy was rebuilding his pony motor and had a detailed set of pictures showing how he drilled the idle passages. Does anyone recall who that was or what the thread was titled?
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STEPHEN
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Couple more questions....

1. How much flywheel slop is normal?

2. I was searching on here for pictures of a pony carb rebuild and came across a thread where the guy was rebuilding his pony motor and had a detailed set of pictures showing how he drilled the idle passages. Does anyone recall who that was or what the thread was titled?
[quote="mcclaar"]Couple more questions....

1. How much flywheel slop is normal?

2. I was searching on here for pictures of a pony carb rebuild and came across a thread where the guy was rebuilding his pony motor and had a detailed set of pictures showing how he drilled the idle passages. Does anyone recall who that was or what the thread was titled?[/quote]

While some amount of slop may be normal, that doesn't mean that it is good . I don't remember the bearing clearance specs, and end play but I'm sure someone will help us there.
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The passage that is usually clogged and requires drilling the soft plugs and reaming is across the bottom of the carb bowl from the main jet to the plug below the high speed metering well. This causes a pony that has limited power and requires a significant amount of choke at all times to turn the main engine. Your pony that runs fine with good power, but will not idle, probably does not need this main passageway cleaned at this time. It most likely needs some attention to the idle circuit.

The idle circuit is contained in the cast iron venturi / carb body. It is a low volume circuit and usually plugs at the nozzle where gas and air mixture is admitted to the venturi through notches in a brass plug that is driven into the cast iron body just below the edge of the closed throttle plate. Eddie (edb) has posted pictures and a description of removing and replacing the plug.
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The passage that is usually clogged and requires drilling the soft plugs and reaming is across the bottom of the carb bowl from the main jet to the plug below the high speed metering well. This causes a pony that has limited power and requires a significant amount of choke at all times to turn the main engine. Your pony that runs fine with good power, but will not idle, probably does not need this main passageway cleaned at this time. It most likely needs some attention to the idle circuit.

The idle circuit is contained in the cast iron venturi / carb body. It is a low volume circuit and usually plugs at the nozzle where gas and air mixture is admitted to the venturi through notches in a brass plug that is driven into the cast iron body just below the edge of the closed throttle plate. Eddie (edb) has posted pictures and a description of removing and replacing the plug.
http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?20371-Pony-rebuild-in-progress&highlight=pony+carb+rebuild

This should be the thread showing the pony carb rebuild. Very nice pics.
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Crawler Dollars
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Couple more questions....

1. How much flywheel slop is normal?

2. I was searching on here for pictures of a pony carb rebuild and came across a thread where the guy was rebuilding his pony motor and had a detailed set of pictures showing how he drilled the idle passages. Does anyone recall who that was or what the thread was titled?
[QUOTE=mcclaar;165280]Couple more questions....

1. How much flywheel slop is normal?

I assume you're referring to pony crankshaft endplay? If so, my book shows correct end clearance to be .010"-.015" with a maximum permissible of .025".

Tom
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mcclaar
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http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?20371-Pony-rebuild-in-progress&highlight=pony+carb+rebuild

This should be the thread showing the pony carb rebuild. Very nice pics.
[quote="seyser"]http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?20371-Pony-rebuild-in-progress&highlight=pony+carb+rebuild

This should be the thread showing the pony carb rebuild. Very nice pics.[/quote]

That's the one thanks!
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