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Uncle Rich
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Hi guys,
I did a lot of research on the site and have learned that the D2 main engine pistons need to come out the bottom of the engine, because the rod wont pass through the cylinder, but this can be done without removing the engine from the Cat.
My question is, can I remove the rod caps from the side inspection covers, and slip the pistons up out the top of the cylinders far enough to replace the rings? I realize I won't be able to replace the bottom oil control ring, or hone the cylinders, but I,d like to know if this is an option for me to do a cheap easy freshen up.
Thanks, Rich
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Wed, Nov 28, 2012 10:11 AM
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When I overhauled my D2. I was able to push the piston high enough to install all of the rings. My engine was out, but this was easier than to install the ring with a ring compressor than coming up from the bottom.

Tim
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Wed, Nov 28, 2012 6:06 PM
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If you do replace just the rings, don't neglect to remove the ridge at the top of the sleeve. It will make the piston easier to push up and wil keep the new top ring from hitting a "step" and possibly being damaged or beating the top ring groove out.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Wed, Nov 28, 2012 8:27 PM
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If you do replace just the rings, don't neglect to remove the ridge at the top of the sleeve. It will make the piston easier to push up and wil keep the new top ring from hitting a "step" and possibly being damaged or beating the top ring groove out.
I,ll be sure to use a ridge reamer before pulling the pistons up. Thank you. Will I be able to remove the rod caps through the inspection covers on the side of the block rather than pulling the oil pan?
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Thu, Nov 29, 2012 9:41 AM
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Yes, you should be able to manage the rod caps through the inspection covers. Helps to be younger, smaller and more flexible. Also may need an extra joint in the forearm area😆
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Thu, Nov 29, 2012 10:10 AM
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Yes, you should be able to manage the rod caps through the inspection covers. Helps to be younger, smaller and more flexible. Also may need an extra joint in the forearm area😆
Ok, thank you ccjersy! My engine has a terrible miss, and I have isolated it to cylinder no. 2. I suspect a bad valve and will probably be pulling the head. I fear that if I find the valves ok, I may want to do a "cheater" ring job. I know that I should really pull the Diesel and do a proper overhaul, but I,m not up to it at this time. My oil pressure is very good and the bottom end sounds healthy, I just have this nagging hiss, hiss, hiss while the engine runs. Doesn't sound like other D2's I,ve heard on YouTube.
Is there an effective way to do an engine leak down test? I was thinking of pressurizing the intake manifold and checking leakage past the intake valve, then open it and check for leakage past the exhaust valve and rings.
I do not know if it is feasible to pressurize the cylinder through the fuel injector. Does it take a lot of pressure to push air past it?
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Thu, Nov 29, 2012 7:52 PM
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Using the manifolds to pressurize the cylinder/check the valve is hard because you may have more than one valve open at one time. Use the injector hole, but you cannot get enough flow through one and it should take ~400 psi to 'crack" the valve.

So remove the injectors, set each cylinder in turn to TDC compression stroke using the marks on the fly wheel and the valve positions, Put the transmission in gear, engage the main clutch and set the foot brake so the engine doesn't suddenly turn when you put pressure on a piston. Removing all the injectors will absolutely prevent the engine starting if it were to suddenly turn on you and you can easily check all of them and may find something you missed listening to the bad one. Simple disengage the main clutch each time you need to turn to the next TDC position and reengage to lock it before applying air pressure.

The CAT proceedure is to pressurize, shut off air and watch the rate of drop or something like that. Most folks just apply shop air pressure and listen for where it is leaking by. Always will have a little leaking into the crank case past the rings, so that will be a judgement call as to what is too much, but shouldn't have any leaking into exhaust or intake manifold.

While you have each piston on TDC compression stroke, you can roughly check valve clearance by adding a couple thousandths to the 0.010" hot spec used for all the old engines. Might find your trouble there if you have way too much clearance (stuck valve?) or not enough to let the valve close fully.

You can usually adapt an air line connection to the Precombustion chamber threads, but be careful to engage the same threads as the hold down nut of the U series tractor injectors or you may remove the "retainer" which seals around the top of the PC chamber and keeps the coolant in! I torched a hole through the center of an old capsule type injector (way too hard to drill!) and used the connection on top of the adapter where the fuel line usually goes to pressurize them the last time I did this.

If you have the older style injectors on a J series tractor with the return line connected across the tops of all 4, Someone can guide you to the discussion about building a socket to remove those.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Thu, Nov 29, 2012 8:44 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Using the manifolds to pressurize the cylinder/check the valve is hard because you may have more than one valve open at one time. Use the injector hole, but you cannot get enough flow through one and it should take ~400 psi to 'crack" the valve.

So remove the injectors, set each cylinder in turn to TDC compression stroke using the marks on the fly wheel and the valve positions, Put the transmission in gear, engage the main clutch and set the foot brake so the engine doesn't suddenly turn when you put pressure on a piston. Removing all the injectors will absolutely prevent the engine starting if it were to suddenly turn on you and you can easily check all of them and may find something you missed listening to the bad one. Simple disengage the main clutch each time you need to turn to the next TDC position and reengage to lock it before applying air pressure.

The CAT proceedure is to pressurize, shut off air and watch the rate of drop or something like that. Most folks just apply shop air pressure and listen for where it is leaking by. Always will have a little leaking into the crank case past the rings, so that will be a judgement call as to what is too much, but shouldn't have any leaking into exhaust or intake manifold.

While you have each piston on TDC compression stroke, you can roughly check valve clearance by adding a couple thousandths to the 0.010" hot spec used for all the old engines. Might find your trouble there if you have way too much clearance (stuck valve?) or not enough to let the valve close fully.

You can usually adapt an air line connection to the Precombustion chamber threads, but be careful to engage the same threads as the hold down nut of the U series tractor injectors or you may remove the "retainer" which seals around the top of the PC chamber and keeps the coolant in! I torched a hole through the center of an old capsule type injector (way too hard to drill!) and used the connection on top of the adapter where the fuel line usually goes to pressurize them the last time I did this.

If you have the older style injectors on a J series tractor with the return line connected across the tops of all 4, Someone can guide you to the discussion about building a socket to remove those.
Thanks again Cc.
Your information is very helpful. I know what I need to do now. It's a bit cold up here in Wisconsin now, so I,m not sure when I,ll get back to my Cat. It may need to sit until spring.
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Fri, Nov 30, 2012 11:33 AM
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Thanks again Cc.
Your information is very helpful. I know what I need to do now. It's a bit cold up here in Wisconsin now, so I,m not sure when I,ll get back to my Cat. It may need to sit until spring.
If you pull the sleeves, the piston and rod can come up through the block with them. It's extra work, but I believe I would at least consider resealing the sleeves and checking the sleeve protrusion if I were that far into the engine already.

Otherwise, compressing the bottom oil ring in bottom assembly isn't too hard with the others left off. Put pistons in with bottom ring and push them out the top. Then you can install the top rings.

Put a piece of radiator hose over the throw or you'll ding it sure as h***!

(Way back in the old posts I have a complete assembly sequence with photos for D2 5U, if you can find it.)

Good luck!

Jack
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Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:07 AM
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Reply to Jack:
If you pull the sleeves, the piston and rod can come up through the block with them. It's extra work, but I believe I would at least consider resealing the sleeves and checking the sleeve protrusion if I were that far into the engine already.

Otherwise, compressing the bottom oil ring in bottom assembly isn't too hard with the others left off. Put pistons in with bottom ring and push them out the top. Then you can install the top rings.

Put a piece of radiator hose over the throw or you'll ding it sure as h***!

(Way back in the old posts I have a complete assembly sequence with photos for D2 5U, if you can find it.)

Good luck!

Jack
If your D2 has the D4400 engine in it...you can unbolt the rod caps from the inspection covers.
I did this with my engine although its a power unit on a skid.
I pulled pistons and liners.
Was not an easy job and took a couple evenings.
I am sure that if you had one of the "WHITE COATS" that the Cat service guys wear in the manuals you could do it in an evening.
Best of luck to you and remember we all like pictures, its our candy.
Regards Chris
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Sat, Dec 1, 2012 8:39 AM
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Reply to snowshoveler:
If your D2 has the D4400 engine in it...you can unbolt the rod caps from the inspection covers.
I did this with my engine although its a power unit on a skid.
I pulled pistons and liners.
Was not an easy job and took a couple evenings.
I am sure that if you had one of the "WHITE COATS" that the Cat service guys wear in the manuals you could do it in an evening.
Best of luck to you and remember we all like pictures, its our candy.
Regards Chris
Thanks snow shoveler
If you like candy check out my thread on the pony motor crank job I just posted. I can't upload pictures from my iPad which I use more often.
Is it hard to pull the sleeves up with the pistons still in them? Maybe if I get one of those white coats I can do it.
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Sat, Dec 1, 2012 12:08 PM
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