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After setting in the shed for several years, I was able to get my 5U D2 going this last spring. I didn’t use it very much; I probably drove it around the place for 3 to 4 hours; 3 different times. When I put it back in the shed after the last ‘exercise’, I noted the right rear final drive leaked about a cup of oil around the hub of the drive wheel. This leak was a little surprising as the previous owner had replaced the seals just prior to my purchase several years ago, and there was no leakage up to this point.

When I took the nut off of the end of the axle shaft, the drive wheel slid off. I was surprised as I thought I would need to pull it off, based on information in the service manual. There was also some wear on the drive wheel where the nut was in contact with the drive wheel. The nut was tight on the axle shaft.

Could the leak be due to the drive wheel not being pressed onto the axle shaft? If so, how do I press the drive wheel onto the axle?
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Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:25 AM
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Yes pressing is the way to do it. Unfortunately, when a fellow doesn't have the equipment to press it on, sometimes it doesn't seem important that it be done.

It is.

Your sprocket and axlespindle may be worn enough now (or could have been worn previously) from running loose that you will never keep them tight. If the nut is bottomed on the axle, your parts are worn badly. The sprocket should stick out farther than the end of the spline on the shaft even when the sprocket has been pressed on. If it goes flush while pressing, it might last a while?

While you have it off, examine the cork on the outside of the bellows and the washer against the sprocket which it seals against for wear. The washer is reversable/replaceable and the cork and the gasket on the inside of the bellows are replaceable.
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Tue, Feb 17, 2009 2:47 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Yes pressing is the way to do it. Unfortunately, when a fellow doesn't have the equipment to press it on, sometimes it doesn't seem important that it be done.

It is.

Your sprocket and axlespindle may be worn enough now (or could have been worn previously) from running loose that you will never keep them tight. If the nut is bottomed on the axle, your parts are worn badly. The sprocket should stick out farther than the end of the spline on the shaft even when the sprocket has been pressed on. If it goes flush while pressing, it might last a while?

While you have it off, examine the cork on the outside of the bellows and the washer against the sprocket which it seals against for wear. The washer is reversable/replaceable and the cork and the gasket on the inside of the bellows are replaceable.
ccjersey is right, if the nut bottoms out against the end of the splines before the sprocket is tight this usually means things have been running loose for a while. When they get that bad not only does the sprocket need to be replaced but the shaft, too. Putting a good sprocket on a worn shaft will cause it to loosen up again. Also the sprocket nut has a cork gasket under it to seal the splines so oil doesn't seep through.
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Tue, Feb 17, 2009 4:46 AM
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ccjersey is right, if the nut bottoms out against the end of the splines before the sprocket is tight this usually means things have been running loose for a while. When they get that bad not only does the sprocket need to be replaced but the shaft, too. Putting a good sprocket on a worn shaft will cause it to loosen up again. Also the sprocket nut has a cork gasket under it to seal the splines so oil doesn't seep through.
I had the same problem--worn spline on both the sprocket and shaft--i had a 1/4" thick washer machined so that the ID was larger than the OD of the spline on the shaft so when i took up on the nut it wouldn't bottom out
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Tue, Feb 17, 2009 5:09 AM
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I had the same problem--worn spline on both the sprocket and shaft--i had a 1/4" thick washer machined so that the ID was larger than the OD of the spline on the shaft so when i took up on the nut it wouldn't bottom out
The spline/sproket doesn't appear to be significantly worn. The cap definately doesn't bottom out, and the spline of the shaft does not extend past the sproket. I would like to try to press the sproket onto the shaft. I believe I can make a fixture that will allow me to use my 12 ton bottle jack to do the job. Are there any other options? Does anyone have the device shown in the service manual that I could rent?

Thanks for the feedback.

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Tue, Feb 17, 2009 7:45 AM
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The spline/sproket doesn't appear to be significantly worn. The cap definately doesn't bottom out, and the spline of the shaft does not extend past the sproket. I would like to try to press the sproket onto the shaft. I believe I can make a fixture that will allow me to use my 12 ton bottle jack to do the job. Are there any other options? Does anyone have the device shown in the service manual that I could rent?

Thanks for the feedback.

54D2
The specified sprocket press fit is 20 tons.
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Tue, Feb 17, 2009 7:57 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
The specified sprocket press fit is 20 tons.
I've had good luck with heating things like that sprocket just to the point that spit (or a few drops of water) will boil, then shoving the parts together HARD and immediately tighten the nut (or bolt). You don't have to heat the whole sprocket, just the hub, and leave the shaft cold when you do this. I've never calculated out what the press fit would be but I've never had parts come loose in operation.
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Tue, Feb 17, 2009 12:41 PM
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I've had good luck with heating things like that sprocket just to the point that spit (or a few drops of water) will boil, then shoving the parts together HARD and immediately tighten the nut (or bolt). You don't have to heat the whole sprocket, just the hub, and leave the shaft cold when you do this. I've never calculated out what the press fit would be but I've never had parts come loose in operation.
Heating the hub of the sproket sounds like a good idea; the concern is getting it too hot and damaging the seals, or not getting it hot enough to enlarge the sproket. ol' Grump, you indicate heat until water bounces on the surface, or say 250 degrees... It doesn't sound like a lot of heat, but you've had good luck with this technique?

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Wed, Feb 18, 2009 7:06 PM
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Heating the hub of the sproket sounds like a good idea; the concern is getting it too hot and damaging the seals, or not getting it hot enough to enlarge the sproket. ol' Grump, you indicate heat until water bounces on the surface, or say 250 degrees... It doesn't sound like a lot of heat, but you've had good luck with this technique?

Thanks,
54D2
54D2,
Yes, I've done this with steering clutches on D4's several times and sprockets on several D2's. You're right, the trick is to not overheat and possibly damage seals. If the part you heat shows ANY tempering colors, like a straw color it's waaay to hot. Water or spit just starting to "dance" seems to be the ticket. Cleanliness of the mating parts is important as well. A Q tip wiped over the surfaces will show roughness. .it'll leave little threads of cotton behind. Overheating the hub would make for a tighter fit, possibly to the point of splitting the hub.

http://www.anvilfire.com/index.php?bodyName=/FAQs/temper_colors.htm&titleName=Temper%20Colors%20:%20anvilfire.com will show what I mean about colors.
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Wed, Feb 18, 2009 10:16 PM
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54D2,
Yes, I've done this with steering clutches on D4's several times and sprockets on several D2's. You're right, the trick is to not overheat and possibly damage seals. If the part you heat shows ANY tempering colors, like a straw color it's waaay to hot. Water or spit just starting to "dance" seems to be the ticket. Cleanliness of the mating parts is important as well. A Q tip wiped over the surfaces will show roughness. .it'll leave little threads of cotton behind. Overheating the hub would make for a tighter fit, possibly to the point of splitting the hub.

http://www.anvilfire.com/index.php?bodyName=/FAQs/temper_colors.htm&titleName=Temper%20Colors%20:%20anvilfire.com will show what I mean about colors.
Thanks ol'Grump for sharing your experience. After the hub of the sproket is heated, do you recommend using the nut to push and hold the sproket in place? After it's in place, should I mist water over the hub to cool it down slowly and reduce the chance of damaging the seals?

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Wed, Feb 18, 2009 11:01 PM
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Reply to AlanSmock-archive:
Thanks ol'Grump for sharing your experience. After the hub of the sproket is heated, do you recommend using the nut to push and hold the sproket in place? After it's in place, should I mist water over the hub to cool it down slowly and reduce the chance of damaging the seals?

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That's a lot of "if's" to avoid doing it right.
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