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Well I guess i have to pull my motor on my d2.
I am going to have to make some sort of a tripod engine lifting goodie.
I know this thing is heavy,but how heavy?
What would the approx weight be for a complete d2 motor with rad/44unit attached.
Also, how big would an I beam haved to be to span approx 8' any idea's
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Thu, Jan 10, 2008 9:13 AM
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I think you would be better off following Catsilvers recommendation where you don't need a hoist.............
But if you insist here is some rambling to help.
The whole D2 weighs about 6,610 lbs bare of which I'd guess about 1/3 is engine. The #44 adds another 365 - 400 lbs with guard.
If you were to look at a commercial gantry crane to lift the load the closest unit would be a 2 ton capacity and along with safety factor built in would use a 8 in. high by 4 in. flange I-beam to span 8 ft. I'm sure it's been done with less but those stories are probably best left untold๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜„
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Thu, Jan 10, 2008 10:53 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
I think you would be better off following Catsilvers recommendation where you don't need a hoist.............
But if you insist here is some rambling to help.
The whole D2 weighs about 6,610 lbs bare of which I'd guess about 1/3 is engine. The #44 adds another 365 - 400 lbs with guard.
If you were to look at a commercial gantry crane to lift the load the closest unit would be a 2 ton capacity and along with safety factor built in would use a 8 in. high by 4 in. flange I-beam to span 8 ft. I'm sure it's been done with less but those stories are probably best left untold๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜„
the weight would be about 2200 + 400 = 2600 #
the bending moment on 8 ft span would be 2600x8/4 =5200ft. lbs.

beam section modulus needed=5200x12/18000=3.5in. cube
any beam with that section modulus or more would work---WF beams are more stabile horizontally than I beams
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Thu, Jan 10, 2008 12:20 PM
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Reply to dpendzic:
the weight would be about 2200 + 400 = 2600 #
the bending moment on 8 ft span would be 2600x8/4 =5200ft. lbs.

beam section modulus needed=5200x12/18000=3.5in. cube
any beam with that section modulus or more would work---WF beams are more stabile horizontally than I beams
The 8 x 4 beam mentioned would be a wide flange.
According to my steel design handbook they don't make a WF beam with a 3.5 in cube section modulus.
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Thu, Jan 10, 2008 11:00 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
The 8 x 4 beam mentioned would be a wide flange.
According to my steel design handbook they don't make a WF beam with a 3.5 in cube section modulus.
Exactly Old Magnet--bigger is better so that would be the minimum--as you can see i used 18000 psi as the working stress--A36 steel would work but A242 or A588 steel would be better.
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Fri, Jan 11, 2008 4:41 AM
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Reply to dpendzic:
Exactly Old Magnet--bigger is better so that would be the minimum--as you can see i used 18000 psi as the working stress--A36 steel would work but A242 or A588 steel would be better.
OLD -MAG/DEPENDZIC,
Thanks for the input. the catsilver method of removal sounds alittle simpler,however a little more dangerous.
How in the $%#^ would you ever block it good enough to be safe.Also, you know your going to have to adjust it alittle when you couple back up,then what,you sure are not going to wiggle it around like a chev 350.Unless when you build your rigging you preplanned a way to jack it up or down that needed smiggen.How would you do it???

Here's another quick question.
Why is it every time need help,this board responds much more and quicker than the other one. Just curious.

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Fri, Jan 11, 2008 6:04 AM
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Reply to compressor:
OLD -MAG/DEPENDZIC,
Thanks for the input. the catsilver method of removal sounds alittle simpler,however a little more dangerous.
How in the $%#^ would you ever block it good enough to be safe.Also, you know your going to have to adjust it alittle when you couple back up,then what,you sure are not going to wiggle it around like a chev 350.Unless when you build your rigging you preplanned a way to jack it up or down that needed smiggen.How would you do it???

Here's another quick question.
Why is it every time need help,this board responds much more and quicker than the other one. Just curious.

THANKS YOU GUY'S COMPRESSOR
Never said it would be easy, either way๐Ÿ˜Š ๐Ÿ˜Š
Without the hoist you'd have to build some type of cribbage/cradle to support the engine after you got the equalizer spring out of the way. Just stacking blocks under it would be inadequate. You would also have to keep a block under the front of the transmission case and under the draw bar so it didn't flop down...or up when you uncouple the engine.
You will not have to separate them all the far to get the clutch shaft out.
Some guide bolts between the housings, come along, or push tractor and the usual ingenuity, cussing and groaning will get it back together. Been done many times.
Just another one of those jobs that gets bigger the more you think about it๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜‰

I'll pass on the other question๐Ÿ˜Š
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Fri, Jan 11, 2008 8:50 AM
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A possible solution is to use a pallet jack in place of an overhead lift. Putting down a couple of railroad ties covered with steel channel would allow you to move the engine a few inches. The pallet jack will also you to build cribbing to lift the motor and customize it to your situation
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Fri, Jan 11, 2008 9:31 AM
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Reply to otterden:
A possible solution is to use a pallet jack in place of an overhead lift. Putting down a couple of railroad ties covered with steel channel would allow you to move the engine a few inches. The pallet jack will also you to build cribbing to lift the motor and customize it to your situation
Why use an untested wooden tripod? remove the spring, let the engine down level and block it up, undo the clutch housing bolts and drag the back end away, it will sit level on the sprockets and pivot bar so no need to block it. A couple of very long 1/2" NC studs will be very useful to help re-assemble the same way.
I have done it this way, engine out, clutch changed and all reassembled in under four hours on the time sheet, so know it can be done.
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Reply to catsilver:
Why use an untested wooden tripod? remove the spring, let the engine down level and block it up, undo the clutch housing bolts and drag the back end away, it will sit level on the sprockets and pivot bar so no need to block it. A couple of very long 1/2" NC studs will be very useful to help re-assemble the same way.
I have done it this way, engine out, clutch changed and all reassembled in under four hours on the time sheet, so know it can be done.
I've done it as Otterden stated, however I made struts of 4x4 angle iron that bolt to the side flanges front and rear. I drilled holes in the pallet jack and bolted oak boards to each side. This allows the angle iron to bite into and not slide. I rolled tractor to doorway, lifted front of tractor to remove spring, lowered tractor to level then chocked front and rear of transmission, jacked pallet jack to remove bolts from clutch housing and rolled it straight away. It worked very well.
Bob
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