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We recently bought a D2 cat that has been sitting a long time. The former owner took the injector lines off, and the valve cover and out plastic over it which blew off. So, there is water in the oil (I can deal with that) and there has been water in the 4 injector pumps. It looks like those come apart. Can they be disassembled and cleaned? Running off the pony engine 3 of them will put out a little diesel, but I don't think it is enough for it to run. I am not a diesel guy, I work on cars, so this is all new to me. Pics would be nice if anyone can help.
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019 11:29 PM
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Yes they can be disassembled and cleaned just don't mix parts. By cleaning, that's solvent only, no abrasive or mechanical cleaning of the plungers as the fits and finish are in millions of an inch. Any rusting means it's a no go.
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Thu, Apr 25, 2019 11:48 PM
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Yes they can be disassembled and cleaned just don't mix parts. By cleaning, that's solvent only, no abrasive or mechanical cleaning of the plungers as the fits and finish are in millions of an inch. Any rusting means it's a no go.


So, how do they come apart? [attachment=53638]pump.JPG[/attachment] I am just trying to get it to run long enough to see if it is worth messing with. If the engine is blown up I am done.
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Fri, Apr 26, 2019 1:38 AM
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So, how do they come apart? [attachment=53638]pump.JPG[/attachment] I am just trying to get it to run long enough to see if it is worth messing with. If the engine is blown up I am done.
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you could try first pouring in some kroil oil or PB blaster and let it soak in a few days. did you make sure you bled all the air out of the system and that the filters are not clogged? what did your pressure gauge read when you were spinning the diesel?
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Fri, Apr 26, 2019 2:17 AM
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you could try first pouring in some kroil oil or PB blaster and let it soak in a few days. did you make sure you bled all the air out of the system and that the filters are not clogged? what did your pressure gauge read when you were spinning the diesel?


I could not get pressure with the lift pump, so I put a holley fuel pump on it. It will peg the gauge. I am getting plenty of fuel to the injector pumps. With it turning over I get little squirts out of three of them and nothing out of one.
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Fri, Apr 26, 2019 2:39 AM
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I could not get pressure with the lift pump, so I put a holley fuel pump on it. It will peg the gauge. I am getting plenty of fuel to the injector pumps. With it turning over I get little squirts out of three of them and nothing out of one.
injectors don't really need a lot of fuel so it may be sufficient for the injector to fire.--- on the third pump did you pull the side off the injector pump and check that it is just not hung up? I had that happen to two of my pumps, and with lots of Kroil oil and gently working them down and up they did break loose
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Fri, Apr 26, 2019 2:49 AM
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injectors don't really need a lot of fuel so it may be sufficient for the injector to fire.--- on the third pump did you pull the side off the injector pump and check that it is just not hung up? I had that happen to two of my pumps, and with lots of Kroil oil and gently working them down and up they did break loose


Yes, I have that cover off. The rod with the gear on it, I can push that up with no resistance. I need to get a book I guess so I can at least have names for these parts when i ask questions. But I hate to spend a bunch of money just to find out it is scrap.
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Fri, Apr 26, 2019 3:00 AM
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injectors don't really need a lot of fuel so it may be sufficient for the injector to fire.--- on the third pump did you pull the side off the injector pump and check that it is just not hung up? I had that happen to two of my pumps, and with lots of Kroil oil and gently working them down and up they did break loose
When I checked mine, there were only minor squirts out of each pump. They don't pump much "per shot". I'd put it back together, bleed it up to the top of the injectors, then attempt to start it. Be aware on an old engine it may take many minutes of turning over the main engine under compression with the fuel off before it'll be warm enough to attempt a start. By fuel off, I mean the "throttle"/governor control is all the way forward to shut off flow to the injectors. You may have to bump the lever with your hand to push it past the detent to shut the fuel off. Injecting fuel actually cools the compression charge and can wash the lube from the cylinder walls, so while you're warming the engine with the pony turning it over under compression, you don't want any fuel being injected. You'll obviously have to open the governor for the purposes of bleeding the system.
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Fri, Apr 26, 2019 3:02 AM
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Yes, I have that cover off. The rod with the gear on it, I can push that up with no resistance. I need to get a book I guess so I can at least have names for these parts when i ask questions. But I hate to spend a bunch of money just to find out it is scrap.
when you had the diesel spinning how was the oil pressure? you could always throw the compression handle and give it small shot of either to see if any cylinders hit
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Fri, Apr 26, 2019 3:05 AM
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injectors don't really need a lot of fuel so it may be sufficient for the injector to fire.--- on the third pump did you pull the side off the injector pump and check that it is just not hung up? I had that happen to two of my pumps, and with lots of Kroil oil and gently working them down and up they did break loose


[attachment=53642]gear.jpg[/attachment] This is the gear I am referring too.
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[attachment=53642]gear.jpg[/attachment] This is the gear I am referring too.
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yes that is the gear on the bottom of the pump--it meshes with the rack and its rotation regulates the amount of fuel pumped
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