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D2 5U head rebuild

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Jw74
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hello every one I have the head from my D2 5u4149 in the machine shop and he tells me that the guides are within tolerance but would prefer to put new ones in. And also says the valves look awfully thin and would like to replace as well along with boring out the old seat and pressing in new ones and grinding to fit new valves. Im sure this would be a top notch job when he is all done but is this really necessary. I mean if the guides are within tolerance why replace them? and the seats did not look bad to me ...why bore them out and press new ones in? with all that the price is at 500. and I still would need to find and pay for all the valves and guides.. any advice on this job would be much appreciated thanks!
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Sun, Nov 9, 2014 10:29 AM
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It's all in the specifications....
#1 seat width is 0.106 to 0.110 in.
#2 full contact all around.
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Sun, Nov 9, 2014 2:33 PM
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It's all in the specifications....
#1 seat width is 0.106 to 0.110 in.
#2 full contact all around.
To me its like going to the doc and asking what has to be done and then telling him he is wrong or ignoring his advice a pretty pointless exercise just my two bobs worth

Paul
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Sun, Nov 9, 2014 3:31 PM
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Reply to mrsmackpaul:
To me its like going to the doc and asking what has to be done and then telling him he is wrong or ignoring his advice a pretty pointless exercise just my two bobs worth

Paul
I believe the key words are: "Need to find a way to pay".....Yes these are VERY expensive toys......
I have always believed that if it is a production machine then do it!
If it is a machine that will get 100 hours of "play time" a year then I have been known to have an issue with spending the money.
Depending on the Tractor model (D2) and location you may never see a return on your investment.
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Sun, Nov 9, 2014 6:54 PM
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I believe the key words are: "Need to find a way to pay".....Yes these are VERY expensive toys......
I have always believed that if it is a production machine then do it!
If it is a machine that will get 100 hours of "play time" a year then I have been known to have an issue with spending the money.
Depending on the Tractor model (D2) and location you may never see a return on your investment.
Thanks for all the advice every one I think I should go for it and get it done the right way!
Thanks God Bless
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Mon, Nov 10, 2014 5:10 AM
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Thanks for all the advice every one I think I should go for it and get it done the right way!
with that in mind can any one give me some good leads on where to find the best price on valves
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Mon, Nov 10, 2014 5:12 AM
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Reply to mrsmackpaul:
To me its like going to the doc and asking what has to be done and then telling him he is wrong or ignoring his advice a pretty pointless exercise just my two bobs worth

Paul
[quote="mrsmackpaul"]To me its like going to the doc and asking what has to be done and then telling him he is wrong or ignoring his advice a pretty pointless exercise just my two bobs worth

Paul[/quote]

There are an awful amount of surgeons out there that all they want to do is cut,cut,cut, and sometimes unnecessary---it always pays to get a second opinion on anything!
As drujinin said it all depends on how hard and long you will run it to determine if its worth the extra work when items are all in spec.
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Mon, Nov 10, 2014 5:31 AM
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[quote="mrsmackpaul"]To me its like going to the doc and asking what has to be done and then telling him he is wrong or ignoring his advice a pretty pointless exercise just my two bobs worth

Paul[/quote]

There are an awful amount of surgeons out there that all they want to do is cut,cut,cut, and sometimes unnecessary---it always pays to get a second opinion on anything!
As drujinin said it all depends on how hard and long you will run it to determine if its worth the extra work when items are all in spec.
Doesn't appear to be enough valves out there to do the job.
May be a Cat item....pricey!!!
Try Off Road Equipment in Tn.
Intake 4F5856
Exhaust 4F2719
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Mon, Nov 10, 2014 5:39 AM
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Doesn't appear to be enough valves out there to do the job.
May be a Cat item....pricey!!!
Try Off Road Equipment in Tn.
Intake 4F5856
Exhaust 4F2719
One concern I discovered on a d2 (d311) is if the valves and seats r ground to much the valves will set to low for the decompression to work, you can adjust the valve clearance but not the decompression, If there is a way to do this that I am missing I would like to hear it.

If your guides are in spec leave it, it will last for another 50 years as a toy, Inspect the valves to see how they are seating, a picture is worth a thousand words, I am not big on replacing parts that are good.

If you were Amelia rebuilding a engine for the Spirit of St Louis for the big trip it would be a different story.
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Mon, Nov 10, 2014 7:45 AM
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Reply to Steve A:
One concern I discovered on a d2 (d311) is if the valves and seats r ground to much the valves will set to low for the decompression to work, you can adjust the valve clearance but not the decompression, If there is a way to do this that I am missing I would like to hear it.

If your guides are in spec leave it, it will last for another 50 years as a toy, Inspect the valves to see how they are seating, a picture is worth a thousand words, I am not big on replacing parts that are good.

If you were Amelia rebuilding a engine for the Spirit of St Louis for the big trip it would be a different story.
You don't want to have the valves recessed too far into the head on any Diesel...it does affect compression, & therefore starting. Like you already decided, do it right. Even if it's just a play tractor, you don't want one that misses & slobbers for 5 min. when you do finally get it started...a half-ass valve job will always be regretted.
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Mon, Nov 10, 2014 8:04 AM
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You don't want to have the valves recessed too far into the head on any Diesel...it does affect compression, & therefore starting. Like you already decided, do it right. Even if it's just a play tractor, you don't want one that misses & slobbers for 5 min. when you do finally get it started...a half-ass valve job will always be regretted.
thanks guys now that I have researched it a little bit and know what I am looking at I will take another look at things and snap some photos to show every one
Thanks God Bless
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Mon, Nov 10, 2014 9:28 AM
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