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D2 5J D3400 crack in block at lower liner seal

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Well my evening just took a dive. Getting my D3400 cleaned up to re-install a liner with new seals to fix a leak. While I was giving the area that the seals sit in a good cleaning I found a crack 😱 f#%*!

My long term plans for this machine were to repair it to sell and focus on my D4s but this crack throws a wrench in that.

So, I will either give it a JB weld type fix (if possible) and keep it, part it out or sell as-is to the best offer. Maybe someone has a good 3400 block looking for a machine to put it in? I'm not interesting it buying a motor to install.

Does anyone have advice on whether I could successfully patch something like this up to stop it from leaking?

I could maybe V the crack out from top to bottom if I can get in there with my dremmel to give the JB weld a valley to sit in then sand it smooth where the seals sit. I've made similar repairs with success that although temporary, lasted indefinitely. I'm just not sure this spot is one of those areas that could repaired in any fashion short it being welded up and machined back out.

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Jordan
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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 8:32 AM
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Here is a picture of the crack;

[attachment=46075]D2-crack1.jpg[/attachment]
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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 8:34 AM
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Here is a picture of the crack;

[attachment=46075]D2-crack1.jpg[/attachment]
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a good machine shop should be able to fix that. prolly drill and pin then weld the crack.

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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 8:46 AM
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a good machine shop should be able to fix that. prolly drill and pin then weld the crack.
I'd be game to try your JB weld fix. That's not really a high stress area. V out and stop drill the crack.
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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 10:13 AM
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I'd be game to try your JB weld fix. That's not really a high stress area. V out and stop drill the crack.


That was my feeling also, just wanted to make sure I'm not nuts for thinking it :crazy:
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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 10:16 AM
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That was my feeling also, just wanted to make sure I'm not nuts for thinking it :crazy:
JB is good but - there are some industrial epoxy that claim to be better. Bob
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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 8:25 PM
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JB is good but - there are some industrial epoxy that claim to be better. Bob
Are there additional cracks just below the rust line running right and left?? Bob
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Mon, Dec 11, 2017 8:30 PM
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Are there additional cracks just below the rust line running right and left?? Bob


JB has proven itself to me to be reliable assuming the appropriate prep work has been done. I plan to drill ends of crack, grind sufficient depth for the weld to adhere in to, heat the area with a small torch to remove oil residue then clean thoroughly acetone. After application I will give it several days to cure before proceeding.



I don't think so but I'll look real close again to make sure. I think that is just a raised area in the cast iron.

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Tue, Dec 12, 2017 12:10 AM
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JB has proven itself to me to be reliable assuming the appropriate prep work has been done. I plan to drill ends of crack, grind sufficient depth for the weld to adhere in to, heat the area with a small torch to remove oil residue then clean thoroughly acetone. After application I will give it several days to cure before proceeding.



I don't think so but I'll look real close again to make sure. I think that is just a raised area in the cast iron.

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Jordan
Making some progress on this today. Have crack grooved out and surrounding area ground and cleaned, heated, sanded with 80 grit, cleaned again and have applied first (maybe only) layer of JB Weld.

I got to thinking about how I would do the re-assembly. The image below shows in red roughly where the liner O-rings sit in the block. What do you guys think about putting a thin ring of Permatex "The Right Stuff" or "Super 300" around the block in the yellow area right at the very bottom? I would put it on the block, not the liner, so that when I slide the liner in none of that would touch the O-ring area and the excess would just push out the bottom. I still plan to lube the o-rings up with Crisco so it will slide in easier but even that will be above this area and the Crisco wouldn't/shouldn't come in contact with the very bottom of the block.

I just thought this might add an extra layer of seal but wasn't sure which sealant would be appropriate, or would neither or is this a bad idea in general?

[attachment=46146]D2-crack2.jpg[/attachment]

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Sun, Dec 17, 2017 7:02 AM
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Making some progress on this today. Have crack grooved out and surrounding area ground and cleaned, heated, sanded with 80 grit, cleaned again and have applied first (maybe only) layer of JB Weld.

I got to thinking about how I would do the re-assembly. The image below shows in red roughly where the liner O-rings sit in the block. What do you guys think about putting a thin ring of Permatex "The Right Stuff" or "Super 300" around the block in the yellow area right at the very bottom? I would put it on the block, not the liner, so that when I slide the liner in none of that would touch the O-ring area and the excess would just push out the bottom. I still plan to lube the o-rings up with Crisco so it will slide in easier but even that will be above this area and the Crisco wouldn't/shouldn't come in contact with the very bottom of the block.

I just thought this might add an extra layer of seal but wasn't sure which sealant would be appropriate, or would neither or is this a bad idea in general?

[attachment=46146]D2-crack2.jpg[/attachment]

Thanks,
Jordan
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I used jb weld on an allis challmers six cylinder diesel block that was ate up pretty bad from electrolysis and the liners were leaking into crankcase. worked great
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Sun, Dec 17, 2017 7:19 AM
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I used jb weld on an allis challmers six cylinder diesel block that was ate up pretty bad from electrolysis and the liners were leaking into crankcase. worked great
Almost had it the first time, ended up with a tiny inclusion so going to have to put another coat on in that area. The rest looks good.

[attachment=46171]D2-crack3.jpg[/attachment]

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