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Ryanrmueller
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My d2 started leaking water between the pony motor top manifold and the Diesel engine. I haven't seen anything pertaining to this in the manual. It looks like there was a couple layers of material to seal the gap but it blew out. Any help would be appreciated
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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 9:32 PM
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There is a seal sandwiched between the diesel head and the pony, you'll need Caterpillar part number 3B-7978 I just bought one the other day from Cat for $12. I believe to install you loosen the pony and rock it backwards. I haven't installed my seal (my head is off so I will soon) so others can confirm the procedure.

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Tue, Dec 19, 2017 9:55 PM
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There is a modification to the surface of the pony manifold i think it is that will allow replacement of the seal with the pony in place. Basically the raised square lip around the coolant opening is ground flat so a suitably lubricated seal can be inserted. I have never done one so I may have it all wrong. Hopefully someone will come along soon with more info.

I would start by cleaning away the remains of the old seal so you can determine what the surfaces are like in between there. You may have to raise the pony motor and replace the base gasket to prevent leaks there..... unless someone before you greased one side of that gasket so it will release without tearing.
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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 12:01 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
There is a modification to the surface of the pony manifold i think it is that will allow replacement of the seal with the pony in place. Basically the raised square lip around the coolant opening is ground flat so a suitably lubricated seal can be inserted. I have never done one so I may have it all wrong. Hopefully someone will come along soon with more info.

I would start by cleaning away the remains of the old seal so you can determine what the surfaces are like in between there. You may have to raise the pony motor and replace the base gasket to prevent leaks there..... unless someone before you greased one side of that gasket so it will release without tearing.
Where is our pic?? It would reduce the conjecture.
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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 2:53 AM
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Reply to STEPHEN:
Where is our pic?? It would reduce the conjecture.
To the rescue! I think I got these from Eddie

[attachment=46213]Water Seal #1.jpg[/attachment]

[attachment=46214]Water Seal #2.jpg[/attachment]
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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 5:20 AM
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Reply to neil:
To the rescue! I think I got these from Eddie

[attachment=46213]Water Seal #1.jpg[/attachment]

[attachment=46214]Water Seal #2.jpg[/attachment]
If you have a model hat is not listed on the retrofit gasket, be sure to drain your coolant about halfway down to avoid coolant flowing all over your shop and shoes when you loosen the pony mounting bolts.
While you are at he parts house, pick up a base gasket in case the previous owner did not grease one side of the gasket to assist pony removal. I prefer to grease the pony side of the gasket.
Loosen the mounting bolts, be sure to get the hidden ones between the main block and pony! When loosened, take a pry bar and rock the pony back just far enough to remove and replace the upper gasket. Lube up the rubber with a good liquid dish soap to make it "slide" in.
Once in, re tighten the mounting bolts, top off coolant. Start up and check for leaks and bleed any air in the system.
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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 8:15 AM
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Reply to NorCalTerry:
If you have a model hat is not listed on the retrofit gasket, be sure to drain your coolant about halfway down to avoid coolant flowing all over your shop and shoes when you loosen the pony mounting bolts.
While you are at he parts house, pick up a base gasket in case the previous owner did not grease one side of the gasket to assist pony removal. I prefer to grease the pony side of the gasket.
Loosen the mounting bolts, be sure to get the hidden ones between the main block and pony! When loosened, take a pry bar and rock the pony back just far enough to remove and replace the upper gasket. Lube up the rubber with a good liquid dish soap to make it "slide" in.
Once in, re tighten the mounting bolts, top off coolant. Start up and check for leaks and bleed any air in the system.
I think it's 13 fasteners total around the base of the pony Terry? 12 nuts and one bolt?
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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 9:05 AM
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I think it's 13 fasteners total around the base of the pony Terry? 12 nuts and one bolt?
Here is the 3B-7978 gasket, it's completely rubber, no metal like the one I took out;

[attachment=46219]seal1.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=46220]seal2.jpg[/attachment]

My Pony head;

[attachment=46221]pony head.jpg[/attachment]

Rear of my D3400 head (sorry it came out blurry) but it's a smooth surface, not machined out like the pony;

[attachment=46222]head.jpg[/attachment]

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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 9:25 AM
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Here is the 3B-7978 gasket, it's completely rubber, no metal like the one I took out;

[attachment=46219]seal1.jpg[/attachment]
[attachment=46220]seal2.jpg[/attachment]

My Pony head;

[attachment=46221]pony head.jpg[/attachment]

Rear of my D3400 head (sorry it came out blurry) but it's a smooth surface, not machined out like the pony;

[attachment=46222]head.jpg[/attachment]

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Wow thanks for all the response. I should be able to figure it out from here
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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 9:37 AM
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Wow thanks for all the response. I should be able to figure it out from here
I thought I read somewhere for the use of o thin section of shim stock as an aid in installation as well.
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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 10:44 AM
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Wow thanks for all the response. I should be able to figure it out from here
Niel- cannot remember how many and tractors are up on the ranch. Just remember that there is one about center of the main block in that little gap that gets full of crud and you need a swivel socket or swivel coupling to get to it.
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Wed, Dec 20, 2017 10:44 AM
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