D13000 water jackets on heads

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So I'm installing newer style heads on a 1930s d13000 , the original heads did not come equipped with water jacket seals and ferals, so when they cast the block the water ports on the deck are not big enough for the brass feral directors to drop in the holes, they are not machine drilled but rather molded semi round, I'm a little nervous to drill them out in fear of binding the bit and bust off a chunk around the port, thinking maybe die-grind them out bigger, or possibly just cut off the bottom part of brass director ....Any ideas?[attachment=43934]IMG_20170808_185027456.jpg[/attachment]

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Wed, Aug 9, 2017 10:03 AM

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You could use the correct head gasket to mark the deck with a scribe. Using your marks, open the hole to round and concentric with a bur, either to the size needed, or enough to center a drill of the correct size.

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Wed, Aug 9, 2017 2:56 PM

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Sure would be simple to grind off a little of the brass ferrule! Just need to glue them into the head so you can get it installed without crushing one.

Drilling or grinding the deck has little room for error. I had a head on a 9U that I kept smashing a ferrule as I set it down. Finally found that one of the short dowel pins in the deck was slightly bent. Not much, but enough to make one of the ferrules catch as the head came down slightly off position.

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Wed, Aug 9, 2017 7:03 PM

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Sure would be simple to grind off a little of the brass ferrule! Just need to glue them into the head so you can get it installed without crushing one.

Drilling or grinding the deck has little room for error. I had a head on a 9U that I kept smashing a ferrule as I set it down. Finally found that one of the short dowel pins in the deck was slightly bent. Not much, but enough to make one of the ferrules catch as the head came down slightly off position.

[quote="ccjersey"]Sure would be simple to grind off a little of the brass ferrule! Just need to glue them into the head so you can get it installed without crushing one.

Drilling or grinding the deck has little room for error. I had a head on a 9U that I kept smashing a ferrule as I set it down. Finally found that one of the short dowel pins in the deck was slightly bent. Not much, but enough to make one of the ferrules catch as the head came down slightly off position.[/quote]

Yes, that's what I did a few years back to it, just didn't know if it was safe to do

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Thu, Aug 10, 2017 1:51 AM

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[quote="ccjersey"]Sure would be simple to grind off a little of the brass ferrule! Just need to glue them into the head so you can get it installed without crushing one.

Drilling or grinding the deck has little room for error. I had a head on a 9U that I kept smashing a ferrule as I set it down. Finally found that one of the short dowel pins in the deck was slightly bent. Not much, but enough to make one of the ferrules catch as the head came down slightly off position.[/quote]

Yes, that's what I did a few years back to it, just didn't know if it was safe to do

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Thu, Aug 10, 2017 4:40 AM

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This may help.

Great find!
Can you tell me the name of that book?
I have the new style gaskets with the bigger holes for the rubber seals, the only water ports that don't have the rubber seal is the two in between each individual valves, so valve valve -water jacket- valve valve- water jacket -valve valve if that makes sense, seams they are the only two ports per head that didn't come with rubber seals for either new or old style, guess a gob of copper coat on both sides of gasket will seal those ok, I usually coat the whole gasket both sides and also deck and face of heads with copper coat anyway.
Can you upload the next page of that book, looks like there's more info.
Still asking anyone for the best route, drill ports bigger, cut off bottom half of ferrals?
I'm all ears

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Thu, Aug 10, 2017 5:18 AM

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This may help.

This is the front cover of the book courtesy of Mike Myer.
Sorry but there appears to be no more information on this subject in this book.
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Thu, Aug 10, 2017 9:02 AM

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Reply to ccjersey:

Sure would be simple to grind off a little of the brass ferrule! Just need to glue them into the head so you can get it installed without crushing one.

Drilling or grinding the deck has little room for error. I had a head on a 9U that I kept smashing a ferrule as I set it down. Finally found that one of the short dowel pins in the deck was slightly bent. Not much, but enough to make one of the ferrules catch as the head came down slightly off position.

[quote="ccjersey"]Sure would be simple to grind off a little of the brass ferrule! Just need to glue them into the head so you can get it installed without crushing one.

Drilling or grinding the deck has little room for error. I had a head on a 9U that I kept smashing a ferrule as I set it down. Finally found that one of the short dowel pins in the deck was slightly bent. Not much, but enough to make one of the ferrules catch as the head came down slightly off position.[/quote]
Well I did it before and it worked, I think I'll do as you suggested, thanks

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Thu, Aug 10, 2017 11:27 AM

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This is the front cover of the book courtesy of Mike Myer.
Sorry but there appears to be no more information on this subject in this book.

[quote="Andrew"]This is the front cover of the book courtesy of Mike Myer.
Sorry but there appears to be no more information on this subject in this book.[/quote]
Looking at the 2nd pic you sent I can see part of the next page talking about it, but anyway I'm going to locate that book, thanks again for your time and help

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Thu, Aug 10, 2017 11:29 AM

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[quote="Andrew"]This is the front cover of the book courtesy of Mike Myer.
Sorry but there appears to be no more information on this subject in this book.[/quote]
Looking at the 2nd pic you sent I can see part of the next page talking about it, but anyway I'm going to locate that book, thanks again for your time and help

I have that book and Andrew has provide all there is on the topic.

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Thu, Aug 10, 2017 12:30 PM

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I have that book and Andrew has provide all there is on the topic.

I wish you luck finding that book.
The one I have belongs to Mike Meyer and I have promised him I will return it at the end of the year.
A lot of good information there but alas as magnet pointed out no more information on this subject .
The photos are out of order and the cut off in the second photo is in the first photo .
Read the text very carefully . as a quick scan of these things can give the wrong idea.
Dont try to over think it.

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