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dogger
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I recently bought a D 2 5U that had not been run in probably 3 years but seemed to be in pretty fair shape. The pony motor runs great. I pulled the main fuel tank and had it cleaned out, replaced the fuel line, cleaned the crud out of the lower part of the fuel filter, replaced the fuel pressure gauge ( the original was unreadable), and replaced the fuel filters.
I then turned the fuel tank valve on, put about 5 pounds of air pressure on the main fuel tank, and bled the fuel filter (both vents had good flow), and the four fuel injection pump vents (good flows here also]. There are 15 gallons of fuel in the tank.
Next I attempted to start the main engine. With the compression release in the "start" position, I cranked the engine for 6 to 7 minutes. Never did the fuel pressure gauge get off zero.
Any suggestions on where to start looking to get some pressure?
Thanks!
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Fri, May 29, 2015 7:57 AM
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Check that the fuel transfer pump is working. Open one of the bleeders on the tower (not sure which one but someone will) - hopefully the flow will be slow if at all. Then run the pony turning the main and see if the flow noticeably improves. If not, your pump is not effective - could be the pump or the relief valve stuck open (it's on the side of the pump). Matter of fact, just clean out the valve before trying to start it and check that the spring holds reasonable pressure on the plastic valve cup.
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Fri, May 29, 2015 8:16 AM
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The spring on the relief valve sits in a socket in the lowest point of the fuel system of the D311 engine. As such it sits in whatever water collects in that socket and will frequently be found to have rusted through. Even if spring is OK, the little poppet of the relief valve may be hardened or have trash caught in it so the pump cannot build pressure.

So, look at the fuel line coming into the bottom of the fuel filter tower at left front of the engine. You will see that it attached to a small cast iron piece held on by two 3/8" bolts. Remove these bolts and perhaps one fuel line support clip and you can tap this piece loose from the bottom of the filter housing and it will drop down enough to inspect the bypass valve poppet and spring. Spring goes in hole in cast piece and poppet sits on top of spring with sealing surface facing up to seal against the base of filter housing casting. Sometimes that surface is pitted or eroded and the poppet cannot seal. This can be fixed by carefully filing it back flat and reinstalling the fuel line adapter block with a new gasket.

Unfortunately some of the transfer pumps on these old engines have pumped enough hard grit over the years that the wear is bad enough to prevent it building proper pressure. If yours is still good, might want to install a filter in-line ahead of it to prevent any damage. Some are worn enough that they won't read any pressure until the diesel fires up, but once it starts, they do OK as long as the filters are not plugged up.
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Fri, May 29, 2015 10:27 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
The spring on the relief valve sits in a socket in the lowest point of the fuel system of the D311 engine. As such it sits in whatever water collects in that socket and will frequently be found to have rusted through. Even if spring is OK, the little poppet of the relief valve may be hardened or have trash caught in it so the pump cannot build pressure.

So, look at the fuel line coming into the bottom of the fuel filter tower at left front of the engine. You will see that it attached to a small cast iron piece held on by two 3/8" bolts. Remove these bolts and perhaps one fuel line support clip and you can tap this piece loose from the bottom of the filter housing and it will drop down enough to inspect the bypass valve poppet and spring. Spring goes in hole in cast piece and poppet sits on top of spring with sealing surface facing up to seal against the base of filter housing casting. Sometimes that surface is pitted or eroded and the poppet cannot seal. This can be fixed by carefully filing it back flat and reinstalling the fuel line adapter block with a new gasket.

Unfortunately some of the transfer pumps on these old engines have pumped enough hard grit over the years that the wear is bad enough to prevent it building proper pressure. If yours is still good, might want to install a filter in-line ahead of it to prevent any damage. Some are worn enough that they won't read any pressure until the diesel fires up, but once it starts, they do OK as long as the filters are not plugged up.
My D311 set up for dual fuel runs about 24psig on the diesel transfer pump and about 28 on the diesel transfer pump. It is capable of something over 19 kW on either. It doesn't take a lot of pressure. Are you sure the gauge isn't stuck?
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Sun, May 31, 2015 11:24 AM
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Reply to Jack:
My D311 set up for dual fuel runs about 24psig on the diesel transfer pump and about 28 on the diesel transfer pump. It is capable of something over 19 kW on either. It doesn't take a lot of pressure. Are you sure the gauge isn't stuck?
Dogger, I forgot to ask - did you flip the lever to run and try to start the main engine. I'm sure you did, but your post didn't say. Try that anyway because as Jack asked, the gauge might be faulty. Also, if you do try to start it, give the main governor lever a good hard yank to the rear. I've heard folks say that sometimes it doesn't start because the operator didn't actually open the governor. I'm sure you also know this but the "Start" and "Run" positions really mean valves held open (therefore no/little compression, certainly not enough for the main engine to run) and valves not held open (i.e. the valves open and close as normal, and thus the engine is able to run).
Anyway, check out your relief valve. It's quick and easy to do and might eliminate one more issue. If your spring is no good, you can temporarily substitute a similar size/rate from the hardware store until you get a new one. It doesn't need to hold much pressure
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Sun, May 31, 2015 8:43 PM
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Dogger, I forgot to ask - did you flip the lever to run and try to start the main engine. I'm sure you did, but your post didn't say. Try that anyway because as Jack asked, the gauge might be faulty. Also, if you do try to start it, give the main governor lever a good hard yank to the rear. I've heard folks say that sometimes it doesn't start because the operator didn't actually open the governor. I'm sure you also know this but the "Start" and "Run" positions really mean valves held open (therefore no/little compression, certainly not enough for the main engine to run) and valves not held open (i.e. the valves open and close as normal, and thus the engine is able to run).
Anyway, check out your relief valve. It's quick and easy to do and might eliminate one more issue. If your spring is no good, you can temporarily substitute a similar size/rate from the hardware store until you get a new one. It doesn't need to hold much pressure
Oops, I meant to say 28 psig on the veg oil fuel side. Too late to think straight last night. Anyway, it doesn't take a whole lot of pressure, and it doesn't involve much volume--about 2 gal/hour running flat out. It doesn't take much of a leak to bleed the pressure off. Check the easy stuff first, like the relief valve in the fuel intake fitting and rack movement.
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