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Confused on 955 12 A transmission and final drive seal

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I have read plenty on here concerning a certain seal leaking between transmission and final drive bevel gear area and affecting the steering clutches. I removed the bottom plate from the rear of my tractor to drain the oil and inspect the rear end. I noticed a rectangular hole at the bottom towards the transmission that I was able to stick a hose in and pump out the remains fluid. So if there is this hole, how can a seal be bad and affect the steering clutches?
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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 8:28 AM
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All older machines share oil between the transmission and bevels gear housings. Typically there is a single dipstick and single fill port with a breather in front of the seat somewhere, but two drain plugs, one more toward the transmission area and the other more to the rear under the bevel gear housing. Both must be removed to get a complete drain.

The seals that typically leak are between the bevel gear case and the steering clutch compartment on each side. If this is allowed to accumulate in the "dry" compartments, it can build up and contaminate the brakes first but soon thereafter will get into the steering clutches. Moisture from condensation and rain, washing etc also accumulates and can rust up things in there if not kept drained away by periodically removing the drain plugs (one on each side of tractor, outboard of the bevel gear compartment drain plug that is near the center of the tractor). The plugs are sometimes removed and left out, but this can allow dirt and mud to build up in the steering clutch compartments.
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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 8:51 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
All older machines share oil between the transmission and bevels gear housings. Typically there is a single dipstick and single fill port with a breather in front of the seat somewhere, but two drain plugs, one more toward the transmission area and the other more to the rear under the bevel gear housing. Both must be removed to get a complete drain.

The seals that typically leak are between the bevel gear case and the steering clutch compartment on each side. If this is allowed to accumulate in the "dry" compartments, it can build up and contaminate the brakes first but soon thereafter will get into the steering clutches. Moisture from condensation and rain, washing etc also accumulates and can rust up things in there if not kept drained away by periodically removing the drain plugs (one on each side of tractor, outboard of the bevel gear compartment drain plug that is near the center of the tractor). The plugs are sometimes removed and left out, but this can allow dirt and mud to build up in the steering clutch compartments.
" Moisture from condensation and rain, washing etc also accumulates and can rust up things in there if not kept drained away by periodically removing the drain plugs (one on each side of tractor, outboard of the bevel gear compartment drain plug that is near the center of the tractor). The plugs are sometimes removed and left out, but this can allow dirt and mud to build up in the steering clutch compartments."

Sounds like an ideal place to drill a hole thru the center of the drain plug, and insert a small cotter pin to keep the hole open.
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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 9:55 PM
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" Moisture from condensation and rain, washing etc also accumulates and can rust up things in there if not kept drained away by periodically removing the drain plugs (one on each side of tractor, outboard of the bevel gear compartment drain plug that is near the center of the tractor). The plugs are sometimes removed and left out, but this can allow dirt and mud to build up in the steering clutch compartments."

Sounds like an ideal place to drill a hole thru the center of the drain plug, and insert a small cotter pin to keep the hole open.
Thanks for the input.
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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 11:20 PM
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Reply to 56Cat:
Thanks for the input.
The bevel gear and gearbox share the same oil and the steering clutches are dry on this machine, what plate did you take off, are we talking of the PTO cover between the drawbar, or one of the half moon plates at the bottom of the final drives?
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Sun, Mar 27, 2016 11:31 PM
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The bevel gear and gearbox share the same oil and the steering clutches are dry on this machine, what plate did you take off, are we talking of the PTO cover between the drawbar, or one of the half moon plates at the bottom of the final drives?


I guess it would be the pto cover just above drawbar in the center rear of loader, I could see an extra splined shaft at the bottom of the case on the inside.
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Mon, Mar 28, 2016 6:00 PM
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I guess it would be the pto cover just above drawbar in the center rear of loader, I could see an extra splined shaft at the bottom of the case on the inside.
Which specific plugs are you referring to drill and insert cotter pin? I did notice plugs missing from what appeared to be outboard of the case between the sprockets that where out and full of dirt and mud.
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Mon, Mar 28, 2016 6:02 PM
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Those holes would have to be where the drilled plugs go. You have seen the reason not to just remove them.
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Mon, Mar 28, 2016 6:36 PM
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Those holes would have to be where the drilled plugs go. You have seen the reason not to just remove them.


I've heard of the plugs drilled and place cotter pins in them, but I don't know which plugs they are referring to. The ones on the back side of the above the draw bar or the ones underneath the final drive covers.
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