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Comparing tractors: D2 5U VS. IH TD-6 62

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Folks that know me here are aware that I prefer Caterpillar iron, but am known to get different colors of machinery. This should be like throwing a book of matches on an open gas can...
Sorry, but not sorry to admit that I like my International Harvester TD6 62 series machines over "some" (not all) of my D2 AND U series D4s.
Go ahead and fire me from here, I know what I have!!!
I will let you guys and gals make the pro's and con's for me.
281 cubic inches and 6 cylinders compared to?
Weak final drives I am always told, but glad the machine is light enough to spin out, and not self destruct.
Transmission speeds are slightly faster than the yellow machines too! 
I read that the TD9B and the 92 series IH actually made the CATs look bad, that is when the D4D SA finally came out to even things out.
Convince me that I am due for a mental evaluation. LOL. JM.[img]/media/kunena/emoticons/lever.gif[/img]
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Thu, Dec 29, 2022 7:23 AM
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Back in the day, here in the UK the IH TD18 was considered a better agricultural tractor than the D7 (7M) due to having gear ratios more suited to agricultural use. The problem was that if (and when) the TD18 broke down it was often stood for weeks awaiting spare parts. IF the D7 broke down the parts were there the next day and the machine back at work earning money.
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Thu, Dec 29, 2022 9:55 AM
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Reply to gauntjoh:
Back in the day, here in the UK the IH TD18 was considered a better agricultural tractor than the D7 (7M) due to having gear ratios more suited to agricultural use. The problem was that if (and when) the TD18 broke down it was often stood for weeks awaiting spare parts. IF the D7 broke down the parts were there the next day and the machine back at work earning money.
Hi, Juiceman.
Yer probably need that evaluation anyway but yer not wrong about the TD6 and TD9 being better than their Cat competitors back in the day. Those two were the best of the IH line back then and their back ends were pretty reasonable.

It was their bigger brothers that had the real issues, especially final drives, and various versions of the 24 also had transmission and clutch issues - - - and that's not even mentioning the spare parts and service. A LOTTTTA their parts seemed to made of 'hardtergettium' or '2weekstergettium', some even made from 'unobtainium'.

Also, because of the 'gas-to-diesel' starting, they were all prone to cracking heads if worked hard and shut down hot - idle 'em for at least 10 minutes wuz the 'Golden Rool'.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Thu, Dec 29, 2022 10:52 AM
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Hi, Juiceman.
Yer probably need that evaluation anyway but yer not wrong about the TD6 and TD9 being better than their Cat competitors back in the day. Those two were the best of the IH line back then and their back ends were pretty reasonable.

It was their bigger brothers that had the real issues, especially final drives, and various versions of the 24 also had transmission and clutch issues - - - and that's not even mentioning the spare parts and service. A LOTTTTA their parts seemed to made of 'hardtergettium' or '2weekstergettium', some even made from 'unobtainium'.

Also, because of the 'gas-to-diesel' starting, they were all prone to cracking heads if worked hard and shut down hot - idle 'em for at least 10 minutes wuz the 'Golden Rool'.

Just my 0.02.
IHC - vs - Cat
On the farms - I spent more time on Yellow Painted Machines than those RED ones.
Standard practice with both machines - always fueled and greased everything at the end of the day --- gave time to cool those engines down and grease pumped much easier hot.
Those early IHC with your feet in "wells" and that TD18A wet deck would convince you , especially in triple digit summer temperatures - Yellow WINS . And no dead batteries to contend with on those Cats.
I had no experiences other than farm crawlers - however was always told IHC - TD24 was better in pushing roads in the woods as it never lost full power to a track when turning.
Someone else can take up the slack there.
JM - I can't throw rocks at those newer models, so I will take your word to the bank on them. Don't let me down!
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Thu, Dec 29, 2022 11:15 AM
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Hi, Juiceman.
Yer probably need that evaluation anyway but yer not wrong about the TD6 and TD9 being better than their Cat competitors back in the day. Those two were the best of the IH line back then and their back ends were pretty reasonable.

It was their bigger brothers that had the real issues, especially final drives, and various versions of the 24 also had transmission and clutch issues - - - and that's not even mentioning the spare parts and service. A LOTTTTA their parts seemed to made of 'hardtergettium' or '2weekstergettium', some even made from 'unobtainium'.

Also, because of the 'gas-to-diesel' starting, they were all prone to cracking heads if worked hard and shut down hot - idle 'em for at least 10 minutes wuz the 'Golden Rool'.

Just my 0.02.
Juiceman,I agree with you.A TD 6 will run circles around a D2.Besides a TD6 is more comfortable.Been a long time ago but I do remember that.

We also had a TD9 92 series.That was another nice tractor that we used to plant with and pulled our bean harvester

We had every color and most sizes
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Thu, Dec 29, 2022 11:37 AM
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Juiceman,I agree with you.A TD 6 will run circles around a D2.Besides a TD6 is more comfortable.Been a long time ago but I do remember that.

We also had a TD9 92 series.That was another nice tractor that we used to plant with and pulled our bean harvester

We had every color and most sizes
We ended up with a TD18A that we ran a couple of years , not near as nice to drive , hard to work on , If that was all there was to farm with I would quit! ,Was a Happy day when it went down the road 17afarmer
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Thu, Dec 29, 2022 12:49 PM
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We ended up with a TD18A that we ran a couple of years , not near as nice to drive , hard to work on , If that was all there was to farm with I would quit! ,Was a Happy day when it went down the road 17afarmer
the french adn dozers were known to be weak in the arse end too but that was mainly due to people trying to work em on too hard if you were gentle they could do the work.
like any machine abuse it it will break. and the back up service from the dealer has a lot to do with the user experience. which is something cat was always good at.

those adns were so large initially the dealer fowkes round and murchie didnt have a truck big enough to cart them so they drove them the mile or so from the rail yard to their showroom down the main street. they soon acquired a new truck that was upto the task.
the international td series was pretty popular in autralia but most tractors here were the wheeled variety.

"i reject your reality and substitute my own" - adam savage. i suspect my final words maybe "well shit, that didnt work"

instead of perfection some times we just have to accept practicality

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Thu, Dec 29, 2022 2:14 PM
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the french adn dozers were known to be weak in the arse end too but that was mainly due to people trying to work em on too hard if you were gentle they could do the work.
like any machine abuse it it will break. and the back up service from the dealer has a lot to do with the user experience. which is something cat was always good at.

those adns were so large initially the dealer fowkes round and murchie didnt have a truck big enough to cart them so they drove them the mile or so from the rail yard to their showroom down the main street. they soon acquired a new truck that was upto the task.
the international td series was pretty popular in autralia but most tractors here were the wheeled variety.
Hi, trainzkid88.
There were 4 models of the ADN line-up that I know about, the 25, 61, 70 and 130. They varied from the 'matchbox model' size 25 to D8 equivalent 130. They had some innovative features for their time - late 1940s - early '50s - especially the 130 which was set up so that it could be operated from either side of the full width seat, had air-boosted controls and an 18-liter MAN diesel with an access cover in the hood to facilitate servicing. The engine could also be rolled out on rails after the radiator was out of the way to make more major work easier.

I don't know about the smaller models but I have heard that the 130 didn't have the strongest transmission either. IF they have not gone the way of the dodo bird, there were a couple of them on a property out near Gin Gin. In fact, that man had a 61, a 70 and the 130s.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Thu, Dec 29, 2022 8:00 PM
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Hi, trainzkid88.
There were 4 models of the ADN line-up that I know about, the 25, 61, 70 and 130. They varied from the 'matchbox model' size 25 to D8 equivalent 130. They had some innovative features for their time - late 1940s - early '50s - especially the 130 which was set up so that it could be operated from either side of the full width seat, had air-boosted controls and an 18-liter MAN diesel with an access cover in the hood to facilitate servicing. The engine could also be rolled out on rails after the radiator was out of the way to make more major work easier.

I don't know about the smaller models but I have heard that the 130 didn't have the strongest transmission either. IF they have not gone the way of the dodo bird, there were a couple of them on a property out near Gin Gin. In fact, that man had a 61, a 70 and the 130s.

Just my 0.02.
JM  
My dad was running 2 TD18’s and 2 TD 20’s one a powershift TD 20 they called the big 20. He said it would move dirt almost like the 14A D8.  BUT PROBLEM WAS THE TD’s were broke down and in the shop way too much!     Skinner 

 
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Fri, Dec 30, 2022 12:15 AM
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JM  
My dad was running 2 TD18’s and 2 TD 20’s one a powershift TD 20 they called the big 20. He said it would move dirt almost like the 14A D8.  BUT PROBLEM WAS THE TD’s were broke down and in the shop way too much!     Skinner 

 
No plans of getting anymore IH here, with the exception of a TD9B series. Oooh wait, I keep saying no more toys?
I managed to score a very straight and clean 62 series and had to fight snow and ice to retrieve it, but it was well worth it. I know, this belongs on Red Power Forum probably!
Plan is to service it and use it around mom's downtown "farm" when spring comes around. I will pull some of the 8-10' discs I have to knock weeds down and maybe the little Murray pan that I fought friends over (sorry folks). I have spent enough for the year. No more urge to splurg.
I use the orchard 62 that belonged to Silverstreak and maintained by TractorDon; It is one bad a** little tractor, and decided it needed a topseat rig to pair up with for fun, especially because I "allowed" a very good friend to buy my very late 62 to marry up to another TractorDon 91 series TD9.
Photos to follow. JM
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Fri, Dec 30, 2022 1:15 AM
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No plans of getting anymore IH here, with the exception of a TD9B series. Oooh wait, I keep saying no more toys?
I managed to score a very straight and clean 62 series and had to fight snow and ice to retrieve it, but it was well worth it. I know, this belongs on Red Power Forum probably!
Plan is to service it and use it around mom's downtown "farm" when spring comes around. I will pull some of the 8-10' discs I have to knock weeds down and maybe the little Murray pan that I fought friends over (sorry folks). I have spent enough for the year. No more urge to splurg.
I use the orchard 62 that belonged to Silverstreak and maintained by TractorDon; It is one bad a** little tractor, and decided it needed a topseat rig to pair up with for fun, especially because I "allowed" a very good friend to buy my very late 62 to marry up to another TractorDon 91 series TD9.
Photos to follow. JM
Oh it must be really raining in the valley JM calls home. (and cannot find emojis when I want them, so just guess what I would of used) I have never known a mechanic to say IH are harder to work on. Most cuss up a storm at all the tapered splines Cat used. Unless the part has had major failure you need to hunt up the proper pulling gear to get anything on a Cat apart. In most cases it calls for 10 tons as the minimum and on up to get the splines loss. Now IH used regular old splines that just slip together by hand. But from day one they wiggled and start waring. The cost was more to machine the tapered fit but a case of you get what you payed for. Because many of those parts are still going, but the IH part has been replaced many times.


As was stated some people had the ability to keep the gas start IH diesels together. But near impossible when any butt that comes along is put in a seat, and was used.

I have heard great things about some of the last IH TD 15's. But not many wanted to take chance by then.


So JM have fun driving each and everyone of all colors.
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