ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
Caterpillar 951c water in oil and in cylinders.

Caterpillar 951c water in oil and in cylinders.

Showing 1 to 10 of 53 results
1
uisum
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to uisum
Posts: 155
Thank you received: 0
Hello people.
I disassembled the head of the Caterpillar, I found 2 cylinders with the head full of water.
the oil cup looks like a small plate full of chocolate ice cream.
The head gasket in very good condition no signs of wear.
were the pre-chambers with the gaskets in a very bad condition the water came in from there?
The pistons all have deep craters, what does not the smooth piston head involve? I'm not sure the water comes in from the prechambers. Where could he go in? other points?

thank you.[attachment=53964]IMG_20190519_170349.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53965]IMG-20190519-WA0001.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53966]IMG-20190519-WA0004.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53967]IMG_20190519_170329.jpg[/attachment]
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, May 20, 2019 8:52 PM
Rome K/G
Offline
Send a private message to Rome K/G
Posts: 6,092
Thank you received: 0
SHEEESH!!!! yes those precombustion chambers are toast! replace all four. Also check the sealing surface in the head where the chambers fit, they should be clean and smooth with no pitting. The pitting on top of the piston looks ok yet, thats from the coolant. The chambers get torqued to 200 ft lbs. Have the head checked for cracks and correct valve seat height. Might need new valves and guides also.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, May 20, 2019 9:30 PM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,795
Thank you received: 52
Reply to Rome K/G:
SHEEESH!!!! yes those precombustion chambers are toast! replace all four. Also check the sealing surface in the head where the chambers fit, they should be clean and smooth with no pitting. The pitting on top of the piston looks ok yet, thats from the coolant. The chambers get torqued to 200 ft lbs. Have the head checked for cracks and correct valve seat height. Might need new valves and guides also.
Cylinder liner bottom seals are also a candidate to allow water in to the crankcase although in this case it appears to be leaking from top side. Not running proper coolant (as in straight tap water) accelerates the corrosion.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, May 20, 2019 10:20 PM
uisum
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to uisum
Posts: 155
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
Cylinder liner bottom seals are also a candidate to allow water in to the crankcase although in this case it appears to be leaking from top side. Not running proper coolant (as in straight tap water) accelerates the corrosion.
Hi ,Cylinder liner bottom seals , can i replace now that i removed the head?

Thanks
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, May 21, 2019 1:05 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,795
Thank you received: 52
Reply to uisum:
Hi ,Cylinder liner bottom seals , can i replace now that i removed the head?

Thanks
Cylinder sleeves need to be removed to replace the lower seals.
Cylinder sleeves also need to protrude slightly above the engine block to seal the head gasket.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, May 21, 2019 1:52 AM
uisum
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to uisum
Posts: 155
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
Cylinder sleeves need to be removed to replace the lower seals.
Cylinder sleeves also need to protrude slightly above the engine block to seal the head gasket.
ok too complicated.
[attachment=53975]IMG_20190520_171012.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53976]IMG_20190520_171023.jpg[/attachment]
In the headquarters of the prechamber I noticed that where the seal goes there is quite ruined. how can i solve? can I put, besides the new steel gasket, also of the mastic for high temperatures?
do I have to file the head?
You know the correct tightening torque of all bolts in nm.
sorry for all these questions ...
thank you
Attachment
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, May 21, 2019 3:40 AM
Rome K/G
Offline
Send a private message to Rome K/G
Posts: 6,092
Thank you received: 0
Reply to uisum:
ok too complicated.
[attachment=53975]IMG_20190520_171012.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53976]IMG_20190520_171023.jpg[/attachment]
In the headquarters of the prechamber I noticed that where the seal goes there is quite ruined. how can i solve? can I put, besides the new steel gasket, also of the mastic for high temperatures?
do I have to file the head?
You know the correct tightening torque of all bolts in nm.
sorry for all these questions ...
thank you
Attachment
Attachment
A good machine shop may be able to resurface those areas. The upper seal area could be cleaned up with a flap wheel on a die grinder. Have the head checked for cracks first.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, May 21, 2019 4:06 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,795
Thank you received: 52
Reply to Rome K/G:
A good machine shop may be able to resurface those areas. The upper seal area could be cleaned up with a flap wheel on a die grinder. Have the head checked for cracks first.
I only know the correct way to repair and that is to have the chamber seats spot faced (machined) and corresponding shim sealing washer used to restore the chamber height so that it does not protrude into the combustion chamber. If the head is not warped it does not need to be resurfaced.
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, May 21, 2019 4:31 AM
edb
Offline
Member
Send a private message to edb
Posts: 4,126
Thank you received: 38
Reply to Old Magnet:
I only know the correct way to repair and that is to have the chamber seats spot faced (machined) and corresponding shim sealing washer used to restore the chamber height so that it does not protrude into the combustion chamber. If the head is not warped it does not need to be resurfaced.
Attachment
Hi uisum,
a closeup photo of the combustion face of the cylinder head would help us to see where the water may have gotten into the combustion chamber/piston top areas. Any rust pitting on the cyl. head combustion faces can help determine this.

Rust pits on the cylinder head surface around the Pre-combustion chamber threads/hole can mean the pre-chamber seal gaskets have rusted thru and/or the cylinder head could be cracked at the pre-chamber thread holes.
Heads can crack in and around the valve seats too as well as down into the inlet/exhaust valve ports if the engine has been overheated.

If the cylinder head and pre-chambers are not faulty then as well as the lower liner seals that require removal and part dismantling the engine to fit new ones.

The engine oil cooler on the side of the engine can have cracked cooling tubes that let oil into the water and also the other way when the engine is not running.
The oil cooling tubes can also block with debris on the water side and cause low water flow in the engine and so can be a cause of overheating.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, May 21, 2019 10:42 AM
uisum
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to uisum
Posts: 155
Thank you received: 0
Reply to edb:
Hi uisum,
a closeup photo of the combustion face of the cylinder head would help us to see where the water may have gotten into the combustion chamber/piston top areas. Any rust pitting on the cyl. head combustion faces can help determine this.

Rust pits on the cylinder head surface around the Pre-combustion chamber threads/hole can mean the pre-chamber seal gaskets have rusted thru and/or the cylinder head could be cracked at the pre-chamber thread holes.
Heads can crack in and around the valve seats too as well as down into the inlet/exhaust valve ports if the engine has been overheated.

If the cylinder head and pre-chambers are not faulty then as well as the lower liner seals that require removal and part dismantling the engine to fit new ones.

The engine oil cooler on the side of the engine can have cracked cooling tubes that let oil into the water and also the other way when the engine is not running.
The oil cooling tubes can also block with debris on the water side and cause low water flow in the engine and so can be a cause of overheating.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
[attachment=53988]IMG_20190521_100139.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53989]IMG_20190521_100150.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53990]IMG_20190521_100201.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53991]IMG_20190521_100831.jpg[/attachment]

Hello. bad news.
I found these cracks in cylinder number 3.
a crack that goes from the pre-chamber thread, and another that goes to the smoke vent valve.
how to solve?
I am thinking of welding and breaking away.
can I use some repair system?
thank you
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, May 21, 2019 3:29 PM
PhilC
Offline
Member
Send a private message to PhilC
Posts: 671
Thank you received: 2
Reply to uisum:
[attachment=53988]IMG_20190521_100139.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53989]IMG_20190521_100150.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53990]IMG_20190521_100201.jpg[/attachment][attachment=53991]IMG_20190521_100831.jpg[/attachment]

Hello. bad news.
I found these cracks in cylinder number 3.
a crack that goes from the pre-chamber thread, and another that goes to the smoke vent valve.
how to solve?
I am thinking of welding and breaking away.
can I use some repair system?
thank you
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
Attachment
It may be able to be welded by a specialist cast iron welder but the best solution is either a new head or a used crack tested head.

Regards

Phil
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, May 21, 2019 5:45 PM
Showing 1 to 10 of 53 results
1
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!