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My dozer runs great for about 1 hour and then the clutch loses all its power. The dozer wont move. I use it for about an hour every day and then the clutch stops moving it. I thought it might be the clutch pads and I replaced them. They looked to be in good shape when I took the old ones out. No change after changing the pads. I have been told it is the clutch oil pump not getting oil back to the pads therefor heating up and causing the problem. Does this sound right? I would like your opinions before I change the clutch oil pump.
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Thu, Mar 27, 2014 3:40 AM
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Seems more like clutch slippage is the problem. Have you done the adjustment procedure and does it hold its adjustment?
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Thu, Mar 27, 2014 3:48 AM
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Seems more like clutch slippage is the problem. Have you done the adjustment procedure and does it hold its adjustment?
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I have not done the clutch slippage procedure. Is there a thread on that? I have adjusted the clutch so it engages better. It does not slip at all until about an hour after running. Is the warming up causing clutch to slip?
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Thu, Mar 27, 2014 4:04 AM
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I have not done the clutch slippage procedure. Is there a thread on that? I have adjusted the clutch so it engages better. It does not slip at all until about an hour after running. Is the warming up causing clutch to slip?
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This is the clutch adjustment procedure. It depends on the clamps holding their adjustment. If they don't hold the clutch tends to tighten on it's own. Temperature should not have much affect on the operation except when the oil is cold which causes drag on the clutch discs with tendency for the tractor wanting to drive.

The oil pump is there to circulate oil for cooling and lubrication. Have you checked the pump suction strainer at the bottom rear of the clutch housing?
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Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:06 AM
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This is the clutch adjustment procedure. It depends on the clamps holding their adjustment. If they don't hold the clutch tends to tighten on it's own. Temperature should not have much affect on the operation except when the oil is cold which causes drag on the clutch discs with tendency for the tractor wanting to drive.

The oil pump is there to circulate oil for cooling and lubrication. Have you checked the pump suction strainer at the bottom rear of the clutch housing?
we did check that when we changed the clutch disc pads and it was clear. I have done those adjustments and the clutch is working great with no slippage until I have used the dozer for about an hour. Is there a way to check the clutch oil pump to see if it is working? I took the cover plate off to look and see if I could see it pumping but i could not tell.
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Thu, Mar 27, 2014 5:33 AM
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we did check that when we changed the clutch disc pads and it was clear. I have done those adjustments and the clutch is working great with no slippage until I have used the dozer for about an hour. Is there a way to check the clutch oil pump to see if it is working? I took the cover plate off to look and see if I could see it pumping but i could not tell.
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There really isn't a way of testing the pump in place but you should see oil flying around and movement looking down into the cavity with the cover off.

The pump has two sections, one section scavenges oil from the flywheel area (through the strainer) and dumps it to the rear of the housing behind the support bracket. It is then picked up by a suction tube to the second section of the pump and on to the clutch shaft.

Is the rear suction tube in place? The tube has been known to be broken off if someone forgets to undo the capscrew that attaches it to the bottom of the housing when pulling the clutch assembly.
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Thu, Mar 27, 2014 6:07 AM
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There really isn't a way of testing the pump in place but you should see oil flying around and movement looking down into the cavity with the cover off.

The pump has two sections, one section scavenges oil from the flywheel area (through the strainer) and dumps it to the rear of the housing behind the support bracket. It is then picked up by a suction tube to the second section of the pump and on to the clutch shaft.

Is the rear suction tube in place? The tube has been known to be broken off if someone forgets to undo the capscrew that attaches it to the bottom of the housing when pulling the clutch assembly.
What kind of oil are you running in the clutch housing?
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Thu, Mar 27, 2014 7:03 AM
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What kind of oil are you running in the clutch housing?
Check the suction tube on the oil pump for cracks near the pump. Had one on a D4 that cracked from tube being bolted to bottom of trans case, too much force on tube, pump quit pushing oil through main clutch bearings and would tighten up stop and stall the tractor even. Had to remove the whole clutch and repair the main shaft and new bearings. Left tube unbolted from case, worked fine.
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Thu, Mar 27, 2014 8:22 AM
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Check the suction tube on the oil pump for cracks near the pump. Had one on a D4 that cracked from tube being bolted to bottom of trans case, too much force on tube, pump quit pushing oil through main clutch bearings and would tighten up stop and stall the tractor even. Had to remove the whole clutch and repair the main shaft and new bearings. Left tube unbolted from case, worked fine.
We are using 30 wt oil for the clutch. Is there a way to see if the oil clutch pump is not working, or should I just buy a replacement. I have someone that can sell me another one for $150 plus shipping.
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Sat, Mar 29, 2014 1:24 AM
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We are using 30 wt oil for the clutch. Is there a way to see if the oil clutch pump is not working, or should I just buy a replacement. I have someone that can sell me another one for $150 plus shipping.
Did you follow up on checking the suction tube? Pretty rare to have the pump completely fail. If you look in there while running you should at least be able to see if the gear drive is rotating the pump.
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Sat, Mar 29, 2014 2:01 AM
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Did you follow up on checking the suction tube? Pretty rare to have the pump completely fail. If you look in there while running you should at least be able to see if the gear drive is rotating the pump.
Hi Joe,
as d9gdon asked "what oil are you using in the clutch compartment ?"
You should be using a Transmission specific oil of the correct grade in the master clutch compartment, todays engine oils are not suitable.

Todays engine oils have too many friction modifiers in them for the clutch to effectively grip.
Back before the mid 1970's engine oil (DEO) was recommended for Cat Powershift Transmissions, we found when the whale oil additive was removed from engine oils that the replacement additive caused Power Shift Transmission clutches to slip and burn out.
Cat then developed their range of Transmission Drive Train Oils (TDTO) to overcome this.

If you put a sample drop or two of your clutch oil between your thumb and forefinger pads and rub them together back and forth, without releasing the pressure, as hard as you can several times engine oil will continue to slip with ease--proper Transmission Drive Train Oil (TDTO) oil will let your finger pads grip within two or three rubs.
Often caught out clients trying to claim Warranty on the Dealer by this method. Anytime I had a trans in with burnt clutches I would do this test on the oil and then ask the question "what oil are you using" Was never proven wrong.
Often in early days of the additive change oil companies still recommended engine oils for transmissions and clients of course went along with their advice--the clients had usually rung the oil companies to ask why Cat no longer recommended engine oils for transmissions. The oil companies had not told their own departments of the change !!! This went on for several years before the industry caught up with the need for TDTO specific oil use in Poershift Transmissions and any type clutch compartments.
Just a thought on your problem and the reason for Don's question, which may have seemed odd to you.
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Eddie B.
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