Cat22 grinds going into gears first time

Hi, hidesertman.
Quote:
"We do fully depress both clutches."
Unquote.

As far as I know, 22s only have one master clutch that would affect getting it into gear. Now you have me scratching mine head.

Just my 0.02.

[quote="Deas Plant."]Hi, hidesertman.
Quote:
"We do fully depress both clutches."
Unquote.

As far as I know, 22s only have one master clutch that would affect getting it into gear. Now you have me scratching mine head.

Just my 0.02.[/quote]

I think you are right, the pedal on the inside of the right side pair is the master. But, if I just depress that one alone, its harder to overcome the grinding, I have to press both it and the left side steering clutch to get it into gear.

There's another post about D2 clutch linkage issue cause grinding, but my problem is when I first shift into gear after starting up the cat, or it sits a bit idling. Once its running, I can shift from one gear to another smoothly.

Hi, hidesertman.
I'm not clued up enough about 22s to know if it has a clutch brake to help stop the master clutch from spinning when you depress the clutch pedal. If you have a parts book for it, that should tell you. If it has a clutch brake, try adjusting it.

Somebody with more 22 clues than me will be along soon to sort this out for you. That is what usually happens here.

Just my 0.02.

[quote="Deas Plant."]Hi, hidesertman.
I'm not clued up enough about 22s to know if it has a clutch brake to help stop the master clutch from spinning when you depress the clutch pedal. If you have a parts book for it, that should tell you. If it has a clutch brake, try adjusting it.

Somebody with more 22 clues than me will be along soon to sort this out for you. That is what usually happens here.

Just my 0.02.[/quote]

The manual says it does have a clutch brake, need to press pedal all the way to engage the brake, but it doesn't seem to engage it, when first start up the machine, or after sitting a while idling. But if I change gears while operating, it seems to work smoothly. Kind of weird.

I suspect that the clutch brake is not clutch enguaging fully. Worn bushings, shafts and linkages are suspect. Dirty/oily
clutch brake also. Applying both pedals overcomes some wear .

[quote="steeltracs"]I suspect that the clutch brake is not clutch enguaging fully. Worn bushings, shafts and linkages are suspect. Dirty/oily
clutch brake also. Applying both pedals overcomes some wear .[/quote]

I haven't tried it yet, but manual says to drain and wash the tranny with kerosene for 5 mins while running it. That may clean the brake enough? Next to tearing it apart to repair worn parts.

The clutch pedal is on the left side of the transmission on a top seat a tail seat will have a clutch lever also left side. The two pedals on the right are the brakes left and right side

The clutch pedal is on the left side of the transmission on a top seat a tail seat will have a clutch lever also left side. The two pedals on the right are the brakes left and right side

The two pedals on the right are brakes for your steering clutches. The left pedal of those rotates the shaft that your main clutch pedal on the left side should freely pivot on. Pushing that left pedal on the right side should not move the main clutch pedal.

It sounds like your main clutch pedal and/or clutch brake might need adjustment. Or your main clutch might need to be cleaned. It shifts out of gear and into another gear easily because when the tractor is not moving the clutch disc is not spinning.

Try this: When you come to a stop put the transmission in neutral but keep the main clutch pedal fully depessed. After about 5-10 seconds attempt to put the transmission into any gear. If you can shift into gear easily then the problem is your clutch brake. If it grinds when going into gear then your clutch is not fully releasing or is dirty and dragging. Adjust and/or clean the main clutch.

Good luck
Pete