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55BelairDan
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I recently got the 22 my great great grandfather purchased new in 1935. It has been sitting in a shop for the last 25 years not touched. I got it home and started to try and get it to run. I rebuilt the carb and fuel pump. The magnito had been swapped out sometime in the 60s with a bendix scintilla and had no spark. I didn't have much luck finding any parts for it, or anyone that would work on it. So I got a rebuilt wico xh184. I cant get anything more than some backfires trying to start it. I have it timed on the compression stroke on #1 and the "mag" line on the front pulley is lined up as the manual says. This is the first magnito I have messed with just wondering if I have something wrong? Thanks for any help!
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 6:34 AM
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Welcome to the ACMOC BB,

Its cool to get a piece of Family History from Grandpa.

When timing a mag you have to consider if the impulse has tripped, If you think you have it right (with the plugs out) rotate #1 to just before TDC and advance slowly while watching closely,the impulse should trip very close to TDC. After it trips back the engine up about 1 inch past the mag timing mark, then slowly move forward and watch the points, they should open as the mag mark lines up. Myself I use a buzz box that lets me know when the points open. If this checks out double check the firing order. Make sure the #1 cylinder wire is at the post on the mag where the rotor is and then the rest in sequence.


If your confident timing is good and you have spark, I would use the priming cocks or plugs to add a teaspoon of fuel , if the intake has internal leaks it wont suck in a fuel charge.

Let us know how you make out.
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 7:25 AM
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Reply to Steve A:
Welcome to the ACMOC BB,

Its cool to get a piece of Family History from Grandpa.

When timing a mag you have to consider if the impulse has tripped, If you think you have it right (with the plugs out) rotate #1 to just before TDC and advance slowly while watching closely,the impulse should trip very close to TDC. After it trips back the engine up about 1 inch past the mag timing mark, then slowly move forward and watch the points, they should open as the mag mark lines up. Myself I use a buzz box that lets me know when the points open. If this checks out double check the firing order. Make sure the #1 cylinder wire is at the post on the mag where the rotor is and then the rest in sequence.


If your confident timing is good and you have spark, I would use the priming cocks or plugs to add a teaspoon of fuel , if the intake has internal leaks it wont suck in a fuel charge.

Let us know how you make out.
Welcome, that’s a dandy looking 22!


Thanks for the pictures

BP.
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 7:43 AM
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Reply to Bruce P:
Welcome, that’s a dandy looking 22!


Thanks for the pictures

BP.
So when I slowly turn it over the impulse clicks right before tdc. And when I roll the motor back the to the mag mark the mag is in the window for the #1 wire and the points are open just a little bit. Does this sound correct? I have squirted some gas in priming valve in intake also.
Thank you for the help!
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 8:05 AM
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So when I slowly turn it over the impulse clicks right before tdc. And when I roll the motor back the to the mag mark the mag is in the window for the #1 wire and the points are open just a little bit. Does this sound correct? I have squirted some gas in priming valve in intake also.
Thank you for the help!
On some mags you set the engine at TDC on compression at #1 cylinder and rotate the mag until the impulse trips and lock it down. If the mag is bolted, and the coupler is what does the timing, the coupler is rotated until the mag trips. You want it to trip at TDC. The impulse takes care of the advance for running. Any spark before TDC will cause a kick back. With a correctly timed impulse, you can pull the engine over slowly and it will still fire off.
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 10:41 AM
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Reply to Norm R2,22:
On some mags you set the engine at TDC on compression at #1 cylinder and rotate the mag until the impulse trips and lock it down. If the mag is bolted, and the coupler is what does the timing, the coupler is rotated until the mag trips. You want it to trip at TDC. The impulse takes care of the advance for running. Any spark before TDC will cause a kick back. With a correctly timed impulse, you can pull the engine over slowly and it will still fire off.
Ok I'll try this tomorrow after work thank you!
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 10:45 AM
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Ok I'll try this tomorrow after work thank you!
Hi Dan,
welcome to the BB.
Just in case you do not have this publication I Googled Caterpillar Twenty Two magneto timing and came up with the link below--sometimes Google is your friend.

http://www.angelfire.com/home/cat22/book/manual.html

Some kind person has copied and posted the Grey Twenty Two Tractor Operation and Maintenance Instruction Book.
I suggest you copy and print it out as it could disappear by the next time you need some data.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 11:03 AM
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Hi Dan,
welcome to the BB.
Just in case you do not have this publication I Googled Caterpillar Twenty Two magneto timing and came up with the link below--sometimes Google is your friend.

http://www.angelfire.com/home/cat22/book/manual.html

Some kind person has copied and posted the Grey Twenty Two Tractor Operation and Maintenance Instruction Book.
I suggest you copy and print it out as it could disappear by the next time you need some data.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
If it is popping back out the Intake, this tells me the wires are out of order.
Its early in the morning for me to rattle off the correct wire to cylinder sequence.
All the little Gas Cats have the same firing order 10, 15, 20, 22.
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 7:29 PM
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If it is popping back out the Intake, this tells me the wires are out of order.
Its early in the morning for me to rattle off the correct wire to cylinder sequence.
All the little Gas Cats have the same firing order 10, 15, 20, 22.
55belairdan,

Welcome to the BB. Pm me your email and I will send you electronic versions of the CAT 22 books. I see you're from Minnesota. Whereabouts? Our MN ACMOC chapter 3 is running strong but we always welcome new members.

Bioggastractor
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 8:34 PM
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55belairdan,

Welcome to the BB. Pm me your email and I will send you electronic versions of the CAT 22 books. I see you're from Minnesota. Whereabouts? Our MN ACMOC chapter 3 is running strong but we always welcome new members.

Bioggastractor
I have it at 1 3 4 2 #1 in front of motor. I think that's correct?
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Wed, Nov 28, 2018 11:07 PM
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I have it at 1 3 4 2 #1 in front of motor. I think that's correct?
I worked on the 22 tonight, I set the timing to where the impulse trips right at tdc. And when I roll the motor back the mag on the #1 wire the timing mark is pretty close to the mag mark on the front pulley. So I'm pretty sure its timed pretty close. But when I had the spark plugs out i looked in again with a light and now there was a bunch of d con rat poison in there. So it must be falling threw the exhaust valves. So it looks like I might be taking the exhaust manifold off to clean that all out.
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