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flyn88
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Hi all, new member from Illinois. Getting ready to start working on a twenty two this weekend. Tractor hasn't even been started in five years. It was my grandpas, and when put away it wasn't running right. Last time it was used he was pushing dirt, and it all the sudden started running very rough, and could barley move under its own power. From what I can remember it was puffing blue smoke pretty bad. At that time he pulled the plugs, and one of them was oil soaked. My first thought is a broken ring, but he said compression was fine. Other than double checking compression, and spark is there anything else I should look for? Thanks for any replies.
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Fri, Apr 29, 2016 11:46 PM
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Do you suppose there was a new problem on top of an old problem (the fouled plug)?

I wonder about a carburetor that has trash in the float/needle valve and the engine was running short of fuel. Or could be the other way, running rich because of too much gas (heavy float?) or not enough air (filter problem) of course blue smoke is supposed to point toward oil burning while black points to running rich.

Realistically I think you are going to find the main problem with a compression test.....bet that's fun! Got any teenagers around to spin the crank?
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Sat, Apr 30, 2016 5:12 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Do you suppose there was a new problem on top of an old problem (the fouled plug)?

I wonder about a carburetor that has trash in the float/needle valve and the engine was running short of fuel. Or could be the other way, running rich because of too much gas (heavy float?) or not enough air (filter problem) of course blue smoke is supposed to point toward oil burning while black points to running rich.

Realistically I think you are going to find the main problem with a compression test.....bet that's fun! Got any teenagers around to spin the crank?
would a bad oil ring cause the smoke without compromising the compression?
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Sat, Apr 30, 2016 5:42 AM
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would a bad oil ring cause the smoke without compromising the compression?
It sure could, oil rings do very little for compression.
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Sat, May 7, 2016 7:55 PM
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It sure could, oil rings do very little for compression.
I'd check the air filter, points and condenser.

I wouldn't doubt it could be burning a little oil, but I'd change the plug. After checking the air filter, points and condenser. Actually I'd just change the condenser. I've had them fail in the middle of a job and tractor started running poorly barely enough power to get back to the garage.
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Sat, May 7, 2016 9:59 PM
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I'd check the air filter, points and condenser.

I wouldn't doubt it could be burning a little oil, but I'd change the plug. After checking the air filter, points and condenser. Actually I'd just change the condenser. I've had them fail in the middle of a job and tractor started running poorly barely enough power to get back to the garage.
Today is 5/7, he posted once and didn't follow up with an outcome? Bummer!
Now we are all hanging in suspense waiting for the outcome..........
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Sun, May 8, 2016 9:34 AM
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Today is 5/7, he posted once and didn't follow up with an outcome? Bummer!
Now we are all hanging in suspense waiting for the outcome..........
I appreciate the responses, and sorry for the delay. I pulled the carb off to clean it first, and it took me a week to get the carb kit. I was able to get it running, but is misfiring on cylinder's 3 & 4. I pulled the new plugs out, and they are soaked in oil. I pulled the valve cover off, and the exhaust valve on #4 is stuck open. I know it was free before I started it because I already had the cover off. Air checked #3, and have air going past the exhaust valve. With these issues I wasn't able to get compression readings. I know the head needs to come off, but could the oil issue be related to that?
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Fri, May 13, 2016 12:28 AM
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I appreciate the responses, and sorry for the delay. I pulled the carb off to clean it first, and it took me a week to get the carb kit. I was able to get it running, but is misfiring on cylinder's 3 & 4. I pulled the new plugs out, and they are soaked in oil. I pulled the valve cover off, and the exhaust valve on #4 is stuck open. I know it was free before I started it because I already had the cover off. Air checked #3, and have air going past the exhaust valve. With these issues I wasn't able to get compression readings. I know the head needs to come off, but could the oil issue be related to that?
As that engine has a valve cover on top, it needs to have oil up there. If the #4 valve stuck open from a piece of rust/crud that came free, I would guess the up/down of the piston my suck oil down the valve guide?(Optimistic Fantasy?)
As far as #3, I would loosen the valve clearance on that one to see if it will reseal itself bouncing the rust off the face?(Optimistic Fantasy?)
Other than that, pumping oil up past the Stuck Rings maybe where the oil is coming from? Loose Juice soaking that may loosen them up enough to get the cylinders firing again.
Or just procure the necessary gaskets and pull the head off. That way you know it won't eat a valve or something worse!
Keep us filled in on what how you are progressing.
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Fri, May 13, 2016 9:02 AM
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As that engine has a valve cover on top, it needs to have oil up there. If the #4 valve stuck open from a piece of rust/crud that came free, I would guess the up/down of the piston my suck oil down the valve guide?(Optimistic Fantasy?)
As far as #3, I would loosen the valve clearance on that one to see if it will reseal itself bouncing the rust off the face?(Optimistic Fantasy?)
Other than that, pumping oil up past the Stuck Rings maybe where the oil is coming from? Loose Juice soaking that may loosen them up enough to get the cylinders firing again.
Or just procure the necessary gaskets and pull the head off. That way you know it won't eat a valve or something worse!
Keep us filled in on what how you are progressing.
Went ahead, and pulled the head off. Lot of carbon build up on it, but the cylinder walls look good. Found a reputable shop to do the head work. Thinking now its time to take the pan off, and pull the Pistons out to see what the rings look like. Just can't see that much oil coming from the top end.
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Tue, May 17, 2016 8:51 AM
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Went ahead, and pulled the head off. Lot of carbon build up on it, but the cylinder walls look good. Found a reputable shop to do the head work. Thinking now its time to take the pan off, and pull the Pistons out to see what the rings look like. Just can't see that much oil coming from the top end.
Hello . To light a oil in the air cleaner can cause smokey engine .oil should heavy enough to oil the cleaner and not sucked up into the engine .oil from engine oil change used to be used .Bruce
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Tue, May 17, 2016 11:15 AM
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Hello . To light a oil in the air cleaner can cause smokey engine .oil should heavy enough to oil the cleaner and not sucked up into the engine .oil from engine oil change used to be used .Bruce
I got the pan pulled, and two of the pistons out. One of the rod bearings had a hairline crack, and other one only had a chunk of bearing on the cap side. Luckily it doesn't look like it did any damage to the crank. I'll have to get the rings, and gasket set ordered this week. Looking thru the parts manual I am not coming up with any numbers for the rod bearings. Not really sure how to tell if they are undersize without knowing original specs either. I think it is best to pull the engine out at this point to put main bearings in also. Hard telling what they look like. I'll keep posting updates until I get it running again.
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