ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
Cat Twenty-Two Carburation

Cat Twenty-Two Carburation

Showing 1 to 10 of 23 results
1
pete22230
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to pete22230
Posts: 3
Thank you received: 0
Hi all; I've been working away at my twenty-two and recently have replaced the bendix farmer carb that was on it with a zenith K5A. I've got it running but can't seem to get it to smooth out - seems to be running rich with lots of backfiring no matter what I do. I'm thinking this could be due to a couple of things 1) the float is too high 2) a plugged internal passage 3) jetting problems. With respect to 3 this tractor/carb was designed to use dual fuel and I'm running straight gas. Would there be issues with the jets being too big to allow for the heavier tractor fuel (and hence running too rich on gas)? In the same vien does anyone know if there were different jets available for these carbs for the different fuels and if so how about a source? Finally I thought I might try making up a tank of what they called "tractor fuel" to see if it behaves any differently - does anyone have a recipe - I was thinking 50/50 gas/diesel? Anyone else ever had these problems? Many thanks as always. Pete22230
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:26 AM
carlsharp
Offline
Send a private message to carlsharp
Posts: 270
Thank you received: 0
I can't help with your carb problems but will be watching with interest as I have three 22s.

Here is a link to info on Tractor Fuel as well as recipes-

http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/powerkero.html

CS
Carl Sharp
Chino, CA
-------------
2xPV15; 22 2F; D4 5T
Various other oddball stuff
Vids: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=carl4043
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 7, 2008 1:43 AM
chugwater crawlers
Offline
Send a private message to chugwater crawlers
Posts: 394
Thank you received: 0
Reply to carlsharp:
I can't help with your carb problems but will be watching with interest as I have three 22s.

Here is a link to info on Tractor Fuel as well as recipes-

http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/faq/powerkero.html

CS
For what it's worth, I have a multi fuel 22 and it runs fine on gasoline. Is the timing off?
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:34 AM
chugwater crawlers
Offline
Send a private message to chugwater crawlers
Posts: 394
Thank you received: 0
Reply to chugwater crawlers:
For what it's worth, I have a multi fuel 22 and it runs fine on gasoline. Is the timing off?
This may help. From the operators manual.

The high speed screw should be turned one turn from the closed position for a rough setting, and the idling adjustment screw should be turned one and 1/4 turns from the closed position for a rough setting.

To fine tune:

Turn high sped screw OUT slightly for richer mixture. Located on side of carburetor.

Turn idling screw IN slightly for richer mixture. Located on top of carburetor at an upward angle.

Good luck!
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 7, 2008 4:44 AM
Oz22
Offline
Send a private message to Oz22
Posts: 29
Thank you received: 0
Reply to chugwater crawlers:
This may help. From the operators manual.

The high speed screw should be turned one turn from the closed position for a rough setting, and the idling adjustment screw should be turned one and 1/4 turns from the closed position for a rough setting.

To fine tune:

Turn high sped screw OUT slightly for richer mixture. Located on side of carburetor.

Turn idling screw IN slightly for richer mixture. Located on top of carburetor at an upward angle.

Good luck!
PETE2230
Your 22 should run fine on gas as it was supposed to be started on gas and switched to tractor fuel only when hot enough, so mixing tractor fuel and trying to start it cold is going to cause more problems. The main jet and idle jet are adjustable for both fuels so should work fine no extra jets needed. Chugwater crawlers mentioned the timing and what sparkplugs are you using Old Magnet swears by autolite plugs and I have had major problems with champion plugs. The float level should be close as long as it doesn't have a hole in it ( submerge in hot water and watch for bubbles) Clean all passages in the carb and sandblast if possible use new gaskets when reassembling to prevent air leaks and check the intake manifolds for leaking gaskets. What was the problem with the farmer carb and did this carb create the problem or is it still there?

By the way I have tried all combinations of tractor mix and can't beat good high octane pump gas for pulling power.
Oz22
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 7, 2008 7:10 PM
3J1Bill
Offline
Member
Send a private message to 3J1Bill
Posts: 292
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Oz22:
PETE2230
Your 22 should run fine on gas as it was supposed to be started on gas and switched to tractor fuel only when hot enough, so mixing tractor fuel and trying to start it cold is going to cause more problems. The main jet and idle jet are adjustable for both fuels so should work fine no extra jets needed. Chugwater crawlers mentioned the timing and what sparkplugs are you using Old Magnet swears by autolite plugs and I have had major problems with champion plugs. The float level should be close as long as it doesn't have a hole in it ( submerge in hot water and watch for bubbles) Clean all passages in the carb and sandblast if possible use new gaskets when reassembling to prevent air leaks and check the intake manifolds for leaking gaskets. What was the problem with the farmer carb and did this carb create the problem or is it still there?

By the way I have tried all combinations of tractor mix and can't beat good high octane pump gas for pulling power.
Oz22
The engine can start and run like like that, if the spark plug wires are mixed up. 1 3 4 2, is the correct order for the CAT 22. Been there done that. Try putting back the other carb. to confirm nothing else has changed. Bill
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Jul 7, 2008 9:07 PM
pete22230
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to pete22230
Posts: 3
Thank you received: 0
Reply to 3J1Bill:
The engine can start and run like like that, if the spark plug wires are mixed up. 1 3 4 2, is the correct order for the CAT 22. Been there done that. Try putting back the other carb. to confirm nothing else has changed. Bill
Hi Guys - Thanks for the thoughts. Still working on it but just by way of more background. It's running rougher with the Zenith K5A than with the Bendix that was on it with no other changes. The plugs are autolights and I believe with the correct sequence but I'll have to chaeck that tomorrow. The float itself didn't seem to have any holes when I had it apart and I built all new gaskets so I'm doubtul thats the problem. I just keep coming back to the jests but they are both essentially in all the way . It was really bad when I first fired it using the 1 turn open rule. I will have to check and make sure that the high speed and idle are both leaned out as I see they are different. I'll let you all know. Thanks Pete
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jul 10, 2008 10:13 AM
ol Grump
Offline
Send a private message to ol Grump
Posts: 1,077
Thank you received: 0
Reply to pete22230:
Hi Guys - Thanks for the thoughts. Still working on it but just by way of more background. It's running rougher with the Zenith K5A than with the Bendix that was on it with no other changes. The plugs are autolights and I believe with the correct sequence but I'll have to chaeck that tomorrow. The float itself didn't seem to have any holes when I had it apart and I built all new gaskets so I'm doubtul thats the problem. I just keep coming back to the jests but they are both essentially in all the way . It was really bad when I first fired it using the 1 turn open rule. I will have to check and make sure that the high speed and idle are both leaned out as I see they are different. I'll let you all know. Thanks Pete
When and where is it backfiring? Intake or exhaust? There could be one or many reasons for either. .a regular backfire could indicate either timing, valve or plug wire problems.

Generally if an engine is running rich, it'll belch black smoke out of the exhaust but backfiring thru the carb or exhaust won't happen. If the backfire is out of the carb, a stuck (or sticking) valve could cause that. .if it's the exhaust, I'd tend to suspect it running on the lean side. Intake leaks can be hard to track down. .with it running, spray ether around the intake manifold, carb base and any other joints in the intake system. A sudden increase of engine speed will indicate where the leak is. .but check the ignition system FIRST!! A spark could cause a fire!!! Another way (and safer but messy) to check for leaks is to squirt heavy oil on suspect areas. .a sudden decrease in engine speed (and smoking exhaust) would indicate a leak

Another cause could be worn/cracked plug wires, even if the firing order is correct. A dirty distributor cap could cause that too. I'd suggest starting with the distributor. .clean and adjust the points, maybe replace the condenser, check ALL the wiring with a mutimeter for bad connections, carefully clean the cap and recheck the timing, and carefully inspect the plug wires. Fire it up at night with no lights around and look for jumping sparks. .even a good system will show some.

Hopefully this will give you some ideas. .
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Jul 10, 2008 8:37 PM
chugwater crawlers
Offline
Send a private message to chugwater crawlers
Posts: 394
Thank you received: 0
Reply to ol Grump:
When and where is it backfiring? Intake or exhaust? There could be one or many reasons for either. .a regular backfire could indicate either timing, valve or plug wire problems.

Generally if an engine is running rich, it'll belch black smoke out of the exhaust but backfiring thru the carb or exhaust won't happen. If the backfire is out of the carb, a stuck (or sticking) valve could cause that. .if it's the exhaust, I'd tend to suspect it running on the lean side. Intake leaks can be hard to track down. .with it running, spray ether around the intake manifold, carb base and any other joints in the intake system. A sudden increase of engine speed will indicate where the leak is. .but check the ignition system FIRST!! A spark could cause a fire!!! Another way (and safer but messy) to check for leaks is to squirt heavy oil on suspect areas. .a sudden decrease in engine speed (and smoking exhaust) would indicate a leak

Another cause could be worn/cracked plug wires, even if the firing order is correct. A dirty distributor cap could cause that too. I'd suggest starting with the distributor. .clean and adjust the points, maybe replace the condenser, check ALL the wiring with a mutimeter for bad connections, carefully clean the cap and recheck the timing, and carefully inspect the plug wires. Fire it up at night with no lights around and look for jumping sparks. .even a good system will show some.

Hopefully this will give you some ideas. .
Did you get it to run? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sun, Jul 20, 2008 4:11 AM
Thumper12359
Offline
Send a private message to Thumper12359
Posts: 3
Thank you received: 0


Yes I've had the same problem.... You have to add Mystery Oil and your jets are probably bad
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sat, Mar 11, 2017 10:18 AM
Thumper12359
Offline
Send a private message to Thumper12359
Posts: 3
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Thumper12359:


Yes I've had the same problem.... You have to add Mystery Oil and your jets are probably bad


It will run good if Carl is totally clean out and have a good gas filter....Take carb apart clean with thin wire in jet holes and bake sure that aluminum pot metal Barrel it's not jumping out of place sometimes they wear out. It's the aluminum Park in the center of the carburetor and make sure your boil out carburetor and carburetor cleaner... Then reassemble it should work shouldn't take very long
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Sat, Mar 11, 2017 10:22 AM
Showing 1 to 10 of 23 results
1
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

Newby Hall Tractor Fest

Chapter Two

| Newby Hall, Ripon, Noth Yorkshire, HG4 5AJ

High Weald Steam Working Weekend

Chapter Two

| Freshfield Farm, Sloop Lane, Scaynes Hill RH17 7NP UK

Sibbertoft Annual Muck Shifting Weekend

Chapter Two

| Avalanche adventure, Welford Rd, Sibbertoft LE16 9UJ, UK

Cromford Steam Rally

Chapter Two

| Highacres Farm, Dewey Lane, Brackenfield, Derbyshire DE55 6DB, UK
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I became a member recently because the wealth of knowledge here is priceless." 
-Chris R

Join Today!