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gibsonf5
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most carbs i have fiddled with require adjusting the idle mixture and high speed mixture needles independently of one another. especially with some zenith and marvels. it seems on some of these adjusting one does not affect the other. my question is this... how should i adjust my thirty? it seems that one does affect the other. when i get the high speed right it seems the idle is off. and vise-versa. i would like you folks to chime in on the proper way to adjust this thing with best performance high and low. there seems to be a trick to it and i dont know what it is. tractor runs pretty good as it is but i tend to think it should idle a little smoother than it does. it has great fire and new plugs and clean gas. i am thinkin its carb adjustment. i did rebuild carb and set it to what the book said to for initial cranking. i have adjusted on it some. when i get it to idleing good and give it throttle and some load it seems to lean out. when i richen it up under load to good operation then it seems the idle is to rich. i am thinkin there must be a happy medium. it idles ok alittle rich but i dont know if it will start fouling plugs. best regard and thanks to all,eric
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Jumping the Gun a little on your reply about no one caring?
Not everyone has Gas Tractors nor does the 3 or 4 guys I know for certain that have 30's are on everday.
Seen as 8:15pm till this morning isn't even a full 24hrs.
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Jumping the Gun a little on your reply about no one caring?
Not everyone has Gas Tractors nor does the 3 or 4 guys I know for certain that have 30's are on everday.
Seen as 8:15pm till this morning isn't even a full 24hrs.
[quote="drujinin"]Jumping the Gun a little on your reply about no one caring?
Not everyone has Gas Tractors nor does the 3 or 4 guys I know for certain that have 30's are on everday.
Seen as 8:15pm till this morning isn't even a full 24hrs.[/quote]

just bein humurous. no need to be affended. finally got pretty weather and i want to get out and drive tractor some and adjust on it before weather disappears. thats what the rush is. had ALL other thirty questions answered within hours of post. some within minutes. figured i could get quick help on this problem as well. no big deal either way. apologies to all who are affended and will be affended in the future. regards
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Fri, Mar 8, 2013 12:13 AM
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[quote="drujinin"]Jumping the Gun a little on your reply about no one caring?
Not everyone has Gas Tractors nor does the 3 or 4 guys I know for certain that have 30's are on everday.
Seen as 8:15pm till this morning isn't even a full 24hrs.[/quote]

just bein humurous. no need to be affended. finally got pretty weather and i want to get out and drive tractor some and adjust on it before weather disappears. thats what the rush is. had ALL other thirty questions answered within hours of post. some within minutes. figured i could get quick help on this problem as well. no big deal either way. apologies to all who are affended and will be affended in the future. regards
Hi Eric,
as far as I recall the Bosses Thirty adjusted as per any other carb with the high and low speed circuits seeming to be independant.

Can only think there maybe an air/fuel leak internal.

If either/both the carby body and float chamber body faces are warped or similar then you could possibly get crossover between the circuits across the gasket faces---note all the passages running next to each other in the scan below.

Also be aware that the idle screw is an air bleed adjustment and therefore this makes it appear to work back to front---in to richen and out to lean.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Fri, Mar 8, 2013 12:24 PM
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Hi Eric,
as far as I recall the Bosses Thirty adjusted as per any other carb with the high and low speed circuits seeming to be independant.

Can only think there maybe an air/fuel leak internal.

If either/both the carby body and float chamber body faces are warped or similar then you could possibly get crossover between the circuits across the gasket faces---note all the passages running next to each other in the scan below.

Also be aware that the idle screw is an air bleed adjustment and therefore this makes it appear to work back to front---in to richen and out to lean.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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[quote="edb"]Hi Eric,
as far as I recall the Bosses Thirty adjusted as per any other carb with the high and low speed circuits seeming to be independant.

Can only think there maybe an air/fuel leak internal.

If either/both the carby body and float chamber body faces are warped or similar then you could possibly get crossover between the circuits across the gasket faces---note all the passages running next to each other in the scan below.

Also be aware that the idle screw is an air bleed adjustment and therefore this makes it appear to work back to front---in to richen and out to lean.
Cheers,
Eddie B.[/quote]

thank you edb, that is something i did not realize. i am gonna take the carb back apart and check that. with that white metal float bowl, warp is a possibility. have a good afternoon, eric
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Fri, Mar 8, 2013 1:35 PM
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[quote="edb"]Hi Eric,
as far as I recall the Bosses Thirty adjusted as per any other carb with the high and low speed circuits seeming to be independant.

Can only think there maybe an air/fuel leak internal.

If either/both the carby body and float chamber body faces are warped or similar then you could possibly get crossover between the circuits across the gasket faces---note all the passages running next to each other in the scan below.

Also be aware that the idle screw is an air bleed adjustment and therefore this makes it appear to work back to front---in to richen and out to lean.
Cheers,
Eddie B.[/quote]

thank you edb, that is something i did not realize. i am gonna take the carb back apart and check that. with that white metal float bowl, warp is a possibility. have a good afternoon, eric
Thinking a little further.....Is it possible that valve adjustment could help solve your idle issue?

good luck

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Thinking a little further.....Is it possible that valve adjustment could help solve your idle issue?

good luck

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[quote="biggastractor"]Thinking a little further.....Is it possible that valve adjustment could help solve your idle issue?

good luck

Biggastractor[/quote]

yes, you are correct. they are alittle on the loose side. noticed that when i had valve covers off but i dont know what to set them to while tractor is hot. i am sure if i dig a little deeper on the forum that someone somewhere has mentioned as to what they should be set at. thanks biggastractor.
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[quote="biggastractor"]Thinking a little further.....Is it possible that valve adjustment could help solve your idle issue?

good luck

Biggastractor[/quote]

yes, you are correct. they are alittle on the loose side. noticed that when i had valve covers off but i dont know what to set them to while tractor is hot. i am sure if i dig a little deeper on the forum that someone somewhere has mentioned as to what they should be set at. thanks biggastractor.
sometimes a weak or broken valve spring will make lots of difference.
Check them out first thing. Ron
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:37 AM
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sometimes a weak or broken valve spring will make lots of difference.
Check them out first thing. Ron
[quote="hiwide15"]sometimes a weak or broken valve spring will make lots of difference.
Check them out first thing. Ron[/quote]

i will do that. thanks ron.
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Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:34 AM
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[quote="hiwide15"]sometimes a weak or broken valve spring will make lots of difference.
Check them out first thing. Ron[/quote]

i will do that. thanks ron.
i think i may have located idle problems. not only is valves a little out of spec, the throttle shaft on the lever side has a ton of slop and is sucking quite a bit of air. mr. bill, whom i got my carb kit from said to leave it alone when i was rebuilding carb. he said it needed to be free as a bird so governor arm would move it freely. i wanted to put a bushing in it.so i took his advice but i believe its way,way to loose. it will get a bushing soon. i understand where he was coming from but a bushing with .005-.010 clearance should be just fine. i am thinkin if a carb is sucking that much air at idle then it would be hard to set idle adjustment. anywho, we shall see. have a good weekend folks, eric
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