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Hi all... I'm looking at a grader for sale that looks pretty decent, but I dont know what all the the typical problem areas are to look for. It has been converted to electric start and the engine turns over( weak battery, so no start yet) ,and the engine looks sound, but the hydraulic brake lines are disconnected ,and there appears to be a drum type brake on the nose of the clutch housing( missing some linkage). It appears to be an oil clutch, and the turbo looks ok( no oil around the turbo or inside the stack). I am also wondering the year of manufacture( both engine and frame tags match). Any help would be great. thanks
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Fri, May 24, 2013 1:51 AM
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64C0089 is a #14B Grader produced in 1959 & 1960 of which yours would be a 1959 model. Only produced 801 units (gasoline starting) and a few 78E models with direct electric start (127 units).

Yes it would have an oil clutch and the exposed brake drum is typical.

These were considerd the "hot rod" graders that had standard turbo chargers with many internal modifications to the old D318 engine.

Other than standard wear I'm not aware of any specific issues.
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Fri, May 24, 2013 2:53 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
64C0089 is a #14B Grader produced in 1959 & 1960 of which yours would be a 1959 model. Only produced 801 units (gasoline starting) and a few 78E models with direct electric start (127 units).

Yes it would have an oil clutch and the exposed brake drum is typical.

These were considerd the "hot rod" graders that had standard turbo chargers with many internal modifications to the old D318 engine.

Other than standard wear I'm not aware of any specific issues.
Thanks for the info. Hopefully I will own this by next week this time.
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Fri, May 24, 2013 4:50 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
64C0089 is a #14B Grader produced in 1959 & 1960 of which yours would be a 1959 model. Only produced 801 units (gasoline starting) and a few 78E models with direct electric start (127 units).

Yes it would have an oil clutch and the exposed brake drum is typical.

These were considerd the "hot rod" graders that had standard turbo chargers with many internal modifications to the old D318 engine.

Other than standard wear I'm not aware of any specific issues.
You may want to jack down on the right and left side blade control levers at the same time . Jacking down on the blade to raise up the front axle will give an idea what condition the control box cogs are if you cannot raise the front with out kicking out your hands the 2 outside blade lift cogs are rounded and worn, they are the most used cogs in the box ,and suffer the most ware ,If the cogs are rounded and worn , raising the front will be difficult , If you get front axle up ,watch it for ware and slop ,then leave it up ,and go up and move the axle and steering by hand may detect wear .
Check the circle for wear and cracks and welds ,see if shims still can be removed from circle and control arms
Shift blade back angled to the rear wheels on one side and try to raise one side of rear axles get one side off ground and by hand rock one of the rear wheels .This will give indication of anount of ware on the drive sprockets and chains 1/8 turn would be about normal
Put machine in hi gear ,and let out clutch to see if engine lugs down with out slipping
Drive machine around to see if there is any grinding noise comming from power train
GOOD LUCK !
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Fri, May 24, 2013 5:01 AM
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You may want to jack down on the right and left side blade control levers at the same time . Jacking down on the blade to raise up the front axle will give an idea what condition the control box cogs are if you cannot raise the front with out kicking out your hands the 2 outside blade lift cogs are rounded and worn, they are the most used cogs in the box ,and suffer the most ware ,If the cogs are rounded and worn , raising the front will be difficult , If you get front axle up ,watch it for ware and slop ,then leave it up ,and go up and move the axle and steering by hand may detect wear .
Check the circle for wear and cracks and welds ,see if shims still can be removed from circle and control arms
Shift blade back angled to the rear wheels on one side and try to raise one side of rear axles get one side off ground and by hand rock one of the rear wheels .This will give indication of anount of ware on the drive sprockets and chains 1/8 turn would be about normal
Put machine in hi gear ,and let out clutch to see if engine lugs down with out slipping
Drive machine around to see if there is any grinding noise comming from power train
GOOD LUCK !
Hi, Hunter.
rjh-md's information about inspecting your intended purchase is sound but there is an easier way to lift the tandems off the ground to inspect for wear. While you still have the front end elevated with the blade square across the machine - assuming that you can get it there in the first place - pull one blade control back to raise that side of the blade. With the front end elevated, this will have the effect of raising the tandem on the opposite side off the ground.

At the point where the weight of the tandem is from resting on the ground to being carried by the tandem pivot, watch for movement in the tandem pivot or a change in the angle of the tandem case and wheels. If movement is present, this would indicate wear in the tandem case bearings.

Also check to see that there is NO movement around any of the rear hubs and axles and that all the retaining nuts are tight. These hubs are fitted at about 40 tons with a hydraulic press and they need it.

Re the 'cogs' that rjh-md mentioned being worn in the box, it sounds to me that he is referring to the dog clutches in the control box. These do wear and the blade lift dog clutches do cop the most wear by far. How-wevver, they are mostly interchangeable with the dog clutches in other positions within the box allowing you to swap well worn ones for ones with less wear. When doing this, you need to take note of what faces the wear is on and make sure that you are putting less worn faces where they will become the working faces in their new location.

Here is a link to an old thread with a 'little' bit of information about the jiggers. This was originally written about a Cat 12 but much of it will also apply to the 14B.

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/archive/index.php/t-13739.html?

Happy hunting.

P.S. To the moderator(s) Would it be possible to have the information on grader adjustments contained in the thread at the posted link put somewhere where it can be readily found by anyone who might need it. There is a LOT of information posted on this BB that has been posted and re-posted - - - and then re-posted again and again because new people come on the BB looking for it. Perhaps a maintenance section could be started with this sort of information stored in various categories, e.g. grader, dozer, scraper, etc..

Just a thought. (Sheesh! I'm gonna hafta stop doing that. It HURTS. LOL.)

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Sat, May 25, 2013 12:40 AM
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Hi, Hunter.
rjh-md's information about inspecting your intended purchase is sound but there is an easier way to lift the tandems off the ground to inspect for wear. While you still have the front end elevated with the blade square across the machine - assuming that you can get it there in the first place - pull one blade control back to raise that side of the blade. With the front end elevated, this will have the effect of raising the tandem on the opposite side off the ground.

At the point where the weight of the tandem is from resting on the ground to being carried by the tandem pivot, watch for movement in the tandem pivot or a change in the angle of the tandem case and wheels. If movement is present, this would indicate wear in the tandem case bearings.

Also check to see that there is NO movement around any of the rear hubs and axles and that all the retaining nuts are tight. These hubs are fitted at about 40 tons with a hydraulic press and they need it.

Re the 'cogs' that rjh-md mentioned being worn in the box, it sounds to me that he is referring to the dog clutches in the control box. These do wear and the blade lift dog clutches do cop the most wear by far. How-wevver, they are mostly interchangeable with the dog clutches in other positions within the box allowing you to swap well worn ones for ones with less wear. When doing this, you need to take note of what faces the wear is on and make sure that you are putting less worn faces where they will become the working faces in their new location.

Here is a link to an old thread with a 'little' bit of information about the jiggers. This was originally written about a Cat 12 but much of it will also apply to the 14B.

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/archive/index.php/t-13739.html?

Happy hunting.

P.S. To the moderator(s) Would it be possible to have the information on grader adjustments contained in the thread at the posted link put somewhere where it can be readily found by anyone who might need it. There is a LOT of information posted on this BB that has been posted and re-posted - - - and then re-posted again and again because new people come on the BB looking for it. Perhaps a maintenance section could be started with this sort of information stored in various categories, e.g. grader, dozer, scraper, etc..

Just a thought. (Sheesh! I'm gonna hafta stop doing that. It HURTS. LOL.)
14 B GRADER, asking price 7000.00 it is worn out, oh boy it runs and has a turbo, lets say 15 ton if that, scrap at 200. del. 3000 you will get at sacto. then add your time and low boy cost. thanks ROY
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Sun, May 26, 2013 9:34 AM
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14 B GRADER, asking price 7000.00 it is worn out, oh boy it runs and has a turbo, lets say 15 ton if that, scrap at 200. del. 3000 you will get at sacto. then add your time and low boy cost. thanks ROY
Hello, 4tcompost.
Quite aside from the fact that you appear to be trying to rain on somebody's parade, do you really think that your language is appropriate for a site where any and all ages may be viewing the posts?

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Sun, May 26, 2013 7:17 PM
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D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Sun, May 26, 2013 7:57 PM
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If you cannot be helpful or at least civil, please do not post here.
4Tcompost, I have taken the liberty of removing the offensive language from your post, but have left the remaining content. Please do NOT use foul language on this forum.
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Sun, May 26, 2013 9:19 PM
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4Tcompost, I have taken the liberty of removing the offensive language from your post, but have left the remaining content. Please do NOT use foul language on this forum.
I now own this machine.Thanks to all who have offered info. As this is my first grader, Im looking for a parts book, service book, and operators manual. Anybody have anything to offer?
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Wed, May 29, 2013 12:05 PM
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Reply to HUNTER:
I now own this machine.Thanks to all who have offered info. As this is my first grader, Im looking for a parts book, service book, and operators manual. Anybody have anything to offer?
Hi, Hunter.
Congratulations. If none of the books that you have asked about jump out of the woodwork at you, try keeping an eye on 'flea-bay'. Orl sortza things turn up there.

Now where are the 'foters'? LOL.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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