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Creelmanj
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Help me out here please. Picked up a model fifteen, built in 1930 per serial number. Original carburetor was broken, so I've adapted another. It appears though that i don't have spark. In looking at the magneto, it appears to be turning and otherwise functioning as it should. However, it looks like there's a broken carbon pin at the bottom of the distributor cap that is supposed to ride on a brass ring on the lower shaft. Additionally, inside the cap that runs to the shutoff switch the lead spring is broken on one side (I'm not terribly concerned about that at the moment cause it still functions) and also one of the cylinder carbon pins is frozen and broken and another is clearly worn. So the question i guess, is does anyone have a source for those little carbon pins, or a source for the whole distributor cap? And the little leaf spring that transfers to the shutoff switch? I will try to attach pictures if i can. It appears to be an Eismann type 4 magneto.  At this point i just hope im making sense. Also, i know there's a source for aftermarket intakes. I'm not paying $1500 though. Why is it double walled though? Any tips on starting would be greatly appreciated cause i damn sure don't want a broken arm. 
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Tue, Feb 25, 2025 4:25 AM
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Move this to the discussion forum so people will see it.
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Tue, Feb 25, 2025 6:23 AM
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Move this to the discussion forum so people will see it.
The magneto that you have is an Eisemann model G4. It is either a 1st or 2nd edition but I can not tell with only a picture of the distributor end. The mag that you should have is an Eisemann model GV4 with an IS6 impulse coupling.
The G4 will work, but it would be nice to make sure that they lag angle on the impulse is correct and to have a fixed spark ring on the points. The carbon brushes can be purchased from most any magneto rebuilder. I think I used Mainely Magnetos for my last couple of coil rewinds, http://www.mainelymagnetos.com/, but there are others out there that would be happy to help.
One trick that can help on these mags is to make sure that they points are clean. Depending on what the points are made out of (tungsten or platinum) they can corrode quite quickly under certain conditions and stop the mag from working.
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Tue, Feb 25, 2025 9:38 PM
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The magneto that you have is an Eisemann model G4. It is either a 1st or 2nd edition but I can not tell with only a picture of the distributor end. The mag that you should have is an Eisemann model GV4 with an IS6 impulse coupling.
The G4 will work, but it would be nice to make sure that they lag angle on the impulse is correct and to have a fixed spark ring on the points. The carbon brushes can be purchased from most any magneto rebuilder. I think I used Mainely Magnetos for my last couple of coil rewinds, http://www.mainelymagnetos.com/, but there are others out there that would be happy to help.
One trick that can help on these mags is to make sure that they points are clean. Depending on what the points are made out of (tungsten or platinum) they can corrode quite quickly under certain conditions and stop the mag from working.
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ken
You are time and money ahead to just buy a new manifold while they are still available IMHO. There is nothing much left to work with the one you have and most others are not much better you will find from parts. The double walled design makes it more difficult to refurbish an old one as well. They used the exhaust flow to warm the intake air to reduce icing in cold temps, and for example on the 22's (close close tractor, successor to the big 15) they had the distillate option which needed more heat in the engine to properly burn the fuel. Those uses the dual wall manifold as well as a valve on the exhaust to adjust how much exhaust heat to flow through the intake manifold. Of course those all rusted up over time as expected.
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Thu, Feb 27, 2025 3:35 AM
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You are time and money ahead to just buy a new manifold while they are still available IMHO. There is nothing much left to work with the one you have and most others are not much better you will find from parts. The double walled design makes it more difficult to refurbish an old one as well. They used the exhaust flow to warm the intake air to reduce icing in cold temps, and for example on the 22's (close close tractor, successor to the big 15) they had the distillate option which needed more heat in the engine to properly burn the fuel. Those uses the dual wall manifold as well as a valve on the exhaust to adjust how much exhaust heat to flow through the intake manifold. Of course those all rusted up over time as expected.
Thank you both for the reply. I did get it fired up briefly today just with what was left of the springs behind the brushes. I will order some up and get them in before i fire it again. At least it sounded good and was hitting on all four. And i did have throttle control after swapping the lever 180 degrees. As much as id like a new manifold it's simply not in the budget now. Good to know what it does though.
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Thu, Feb 27, 2025 7:48 AM
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So there was some considerable amount of grunge inside. I did not fully disassemble it. Anyway, waiting on some brushes
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