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danregienus
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I have a mid 1960's cat 922B front end loader with starter problems that came outta the blue, one day I'm using it to plow snow and the following day I go to start it and the starter is just spinning within the housing, it will not engage the gear to turn over the engine. I have never had a problem with the starter before, for the last 10yrs it has always cranked over the engine with no problems. The machine only gets used 15-20hrs a year to plow snow, it's like one day the starter is fine and the following day it's non operational with no warning or obvious signs of decline. There is no grinding or unusual noises when attempting to start the engine, it seems like the throw out gear is possibly jammed or its just not engaging the flywheel/flex plate. I have made sure both batteries are up to par and I have even ran a heater to warm up the starter because I live in Massachusetts and we are in full on freezing conditions. Nothing has worked yet but if anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Dan
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Sun, Feb 5, 2017 5:23 AM
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Sounds like time to replace the solenoid or solenoid contacts. They don't last forever.
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Sun, Feb 5, 2017 5:51 AM
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Sounds like time to replace the solenoid or solenoid contacts. They don't last forever.
Thanks for responding so quick, your info gives me a solid starting point as far as diagnostics goes. I really appreciate it, Thanks, Dan
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Sun, Feb 5, 2017 7:25 AM
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some of those older solenoids you can remove the end cap and turn the positive posts 1/4 turn to get new contact points, but this one sounds like the motor is spinning ok, but not engaging, maybe your pull in winding is shot. regardless, clean all the connections on the solenoid as an initial test.
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Sun, Feb 5, 2017 12:00 PM
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Reply to rmyram:
some of those older solenoids you can remove the end cap and turn the positive posts 1/4 turn to get new contact points, but this one sounds like the motor is spinning ok, but not engaging, maybe your pull in winding is shot. regardless, clean all the connections on the solenoid as an initial test.
Some of the solenoids have "Pull in windings and hold windings". There is a contact that is opened when the plunger moves to leave just the hold windings. If the contacts are dirty or burned the plunger (Pinion) won't move. They are usually under the same cap as the main contacts.
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Sun, Feb 5, 2017 1:51 PM
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One possibility not mentioned is that the overrunning clutch on the starter drive may be bad. Normally if the solenoid "crank" terminal is energized, the starter motor will not try to run without the drive gear at least grinding against the teeth of the flywheel ring gear. If the solenoid is bypassed during testing by shorting between the two large terminals, the starter should spin without attempting to shift the pinion.
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Mon, Feb 6, 2017 3:10 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
One possibility not mentioned is that the overrunning clutch on the starter drive may be bad. Normally if the solenoid "crank" terminal is energized, the starter motor will not try to run without the drive gear at least grinding against the teeth of the flywheel ring gear. If the solenoid is bypassed during testing by shorting between the two large terminals, the starter should spin without attempting to shift the pinion.
I haven't had a chance to check out the solenoid and contacts on the starter yet, but the other day when trying to start the engine the starter would engage the flywheel for just a second and crank the motor just a tiny bit then disengage and free spin within the housing. So it is trying to spin the flywheel but it won't stay engaged long enough to start the engine.
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Tue, Feb 7, 2017 11:47 PM
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I haven't had a chance to check out the solenoid and contacts on the starter yet, but the other day when trying to start the engine the starter would engage the flywheel for just a second and crank the motor just a tiny bit then disengage and free spin within the housing. So it is trying to spin the flywheel but it won't stay engaged long enough to start the engine.
If its only used occasionally, is it possible the shaft is rusty not allowing full engagement?
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Wed, Feb 8, 2017 8:23 AM
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If its only used occasionally, is it possible the shaft is rusty not allowing full engagement?
I would like to thank everyone that replied to the thread, I was given a lot helpful information and a solid starting point that was helpful in diagnosing my particular starter problem, in the end it turned out the drive gear on the starter had almost completely sheared off all of the teeth and that was ultimately my issue. Thanks again for all of the helpful information.
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Wed, Feb 15, 2017 2:18 PM
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Reply to danregienus:
I would like to thank everyone that replied to the thread, I was given a lot helpful information and a solid starting point that was helpful in diagnosing my particular starter problem, in the end it turned out the drive gear on the starter had almost completely sheared off all of the teeth and that was ultimately my issue. Thanks again for all of the helpful information.
Thanks for reporting back. Often when a problem is solved we never hear from the poster again. Everyone learns when the issue comes to fruition on the BB.
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Wed, Feb 15, 2017 8:11 PM
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