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danregienus
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I have a mid 1960's cat 922B front end loader and have had issues with my alternator lately, for a while it seemed to be working sporadically. It now seems to be completely dead because it doesn't register anything on my in dash gauge and my batteries are always drained down low to the point where the motor barely cranks over. Also if I turn on my headlights/dash lights they will start out bright and then completely dim after a few minutes of run time. I constantly have to use a jump pack to get the engine started which shouldn't be the case seeing how i replaced both batteries 6 months ago. Does anyone happen to know a part# for a replacement unit or should I see if I can have the old one rebuilt. Is there any procedure or anything I can check or test to determine where the problem might be in the alternator? Any input or part information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Dan
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Thu, Jan 4, 2018 1:25 PM
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This is making the assumption that you have direct electric start. They made the 922s with both 12 volt pony start or 24 volt direct electric. My 922A 24 volt direct start has a Motorola alternator on it with the voltage regulator bolted into the alternator body. Mine was not working when I purchased the machine so I took it to a good local auto electric shop near here. I found out that the regular had been changed to a 12 volt regulator on the 24 volt alternator so it could not possibly work. The wires had been butchered on the machine trying to make it work thru a RV dual battery switch. (It came from a RV dealer) Motorola make a 24 regulator for them alternators that are a direct bolt on replacement that converts them internally to a 1 wire alternator. As my disconnect is on the positive lead I connected a alternator charging wire to the starter side of the disconnect. That isolates it from the batteries so if the alternator stops at the wrong spot it can not draw any current from the batteries. My batteries stay charged now and I have had no more issues.

EDIT: These are a very common alternator that are used in many applications. I would take it to a rebuilder. You might just have a bad regulator or brushes as it sounds like you are getting a light charge only. Dirty battery cable ends can have the same symptoms so you might check and clean them also.
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Thu, Jan 4, 2018 9:06 PM
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Both the 922b and 944 loaders we have are direct electric start and used generators instead of alternators. The 922 is a sort of chameleon though, so no telling what it came from the factory with. It actually has a DELCO 10SI 1 wire alternator installed on it with a home made bracket I welded up. Very simple and common as dirt if you need another one.

Do you have a local generator and starter shop? If so, I would take the unit AND the regulator to them and have them check it all out. Once it works, then you can reinstall it and if it does not work you can be sure that the problems lie somewhere else.

Generators typically use electro-mechanical vibrating reed type regulators that are prone to go out of adjustment etc. Sometimes the simplest solution is to replace with new which is what most shops will do. I can sometimes tweak them a little and get them going but then I have done it enough that I know a little about them.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Thu, Jan 4, 2018 11:37 PM
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Both the 922b and 944 loaders we have are direct electric start and used generators instead of alternators. The 922 is a sort of chameleon though, so no telling what it came from the factory with. It actually has a DELCO 10SI 1 wire alternator installed on it with a home made bracket I welded up. Very simple and common as dirt if you need another one.

Do you have a local generator and starter shop? If so, I would take the unit AND the regulator to them and have them check it all out. Once it works, then you can reinstall it and if it does not work you can be sure that the problems lie somewhere else.

Generators typically use electro-mechanical vibrating reed type regulators that are prone to go out of adjustment etc. Sometimes the simplest solution is to replace with new which is what most shops will do. I can sometimes tweak them a little and get them going but then I have done it enough that I know a little about them.
well my 922B is 24v alternator model 42704P 65 amp. it's a 1 wire alternator but as we speak the voltage reg dose not work. when i got the loader the P.O. was running 12 V and trued over very slow after switching to 24 V made all the difference in the world. the glow plugs and voltage reg are on the list of things to fix.
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 6:11 AM
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well my 922B is 24v alternator model 42704P 65 amp. it's a 1 wire alternator but as we speak the voltage reg dose not work. when i got the loader the P.O. was running 12 V and trued over very slow after switching to 24 V made all the difference in the world. the glow plugs and voltage reg are on the list of things to fix.
Many 922's and 944's have been converted to alternators over the years, but all were fitted with generators off the production line I believe.
I have a very late series ('69 build) 74J, and it still has the original generator. I really should make the effort and convert it, as it only gets fairly short running times and the genny only throws about a 5amp charge.
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 10:33 AM
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Many 922's and 944's have been converted to alternators over the years, but all were fitted with generators off the production line I believe.
I have a very late series ('69 build) 74J, and it still has the original generator. I really should make the effort and convert it, as it only gets fairly short running times and the genny only throws about a 5amp charge.
I am sure my loader has been converted to an alternator from a generator, I am just unsure how to go about replacing the existing alternator, I have no part or casting numbers to go off of. The only markings on the alternator are the words delco, any help or direction would be appreciated
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Fri, Jan 12, 2018 8:29 AM
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Find an automotive electrical shop. Take alternator to them along with any external regulator. You will be looking for a place with junk piled in the corners and at least one guy with grey hair.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Fri, Jan 12, 2018 10:09 AM
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Find an automotive electrical shop. Take alternator to them along with any external regulator. You will be looking for a place with junk piled in the corners and at least one guy with grey hair.
If your machine has been converted and that alternator is a automotive type, which is common in conversions, be aware that they normally only last a year or so on a diesel application. I've been told that they don't hold up to a diesel engines vibration. It also may not be spinning fast enough to put out much charge in the slower turning diesel application. A small as pulley as possible on the alternator helps.
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Fri, Jan 12, 2018 9:05 PM
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There are many thousands if not millions of Delco 10SI alternators (and Motorola, Nippondenso etc) that have been factory installed on agricultural diesel engines. While they are not designed to the specs of alternators for over the road trucks as an example, they do last pretty well. Most common problem with all of them is getting dust buildup inside resulting in overheating and stuck brushes.

I have tried to standardize as many of the old machines here as possible to the Delco 10SI.........Especially when the OEM installed generator or other brand alternator needs repair. It is nice to have a single spare on the shelf that will fit many machines. I have discovered that welded brackets do tend to suffer from the vibration of the diesel engines. Still, something I designed from the scrap pile sometimes takes several modifications before I get it right!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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