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Claney
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Working on engine rebuild for my cat 30 and machine shop needs piston/cylinder
pecs for cast iron pistons. Also what was the standard bore size. This engine is well
used .

I will appreciate any and all help

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Wed, May 20, 2020 9:39 AM
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Cat specs. .005 to .007 clearance on 4,3/4 bore thirty encine
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Wed, May 20, 2020 10:28 AM
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Cat specs. .005 to .007 clearance on 4,3/4 bore thirty encine
Thanks much Russell. Now the machine shop can go back to work.

Keep virus free and have a good summer.

Claney
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Thu, May 21, 2020 8:30 AM
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Thanks much Russell. Now the machine shop can go back to work.

Keep virus free and have a good summer.

Claney
Claney, nice to see you back online, are you going to re-sleeve those cylinders, I have 3 sets of flogged out 30 cylinders here in Oz I need to decide on what to do, 2 of the sets have been re-sleeved a million hours ago and flogged those sleeves out, so my options are limited, I was told last week that Chad Enyeart was re-sleeving 30 cylinders and offering them for sale, I sent him a email but haven't got a reply yet.
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Thu, May 21, 2020 9:54 AM
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Claney, nice to see you back online, are you going to re-sleeve those cylinders, I have 3 sets of flogged out 30 cylinders here in Oz I need to decide on what to do, 2 of the sets have been re-sleeved a million hours ago and flogged those sleeves out, so my options are limited, I was told last week that Chad Enyeart was re-sleeving 30 cylinders and offering them for sale, I sent him a email but haven't got a reply yet.
All the best
Mike
Hi Mike, What Length are the Sleeves , We have a Chap near here that does a lot of Sleeve Work, Does a great job and Reasonable. So give Me the Measurements and I will check Him out . Has done several for Me and a Mate .LJ
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Fri, May 22, 2020 2:17 AM
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Hi Mike, What Length are the Sleeves , We have a Chap near here that does a lot of Sleeve Work, Does a great job and Reasonable. So give Me the Measurements and I will check Him out . Has done several for Me and a Mate .LJ
Morning Lance, the cylinders are 13.5" long, thanks for offering to ask.
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Fri, May 22, 2020 3:21 AM
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Morning Lance, the cylinders are 13.5" long, thanks for offering to ask.
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Hi Mike, My man got back to Me last Night, Unfortunately His Boring Bar can only Handle 12" max.Surely there is some One down in the Socialist Republic of Victoria that has a Larger Unit to Help out . another thought up here in the Banana Republic would be Mendams in Brisbane, don't have a Number though, Maybe Ivantighe Eng. 07-33088888 would be worth a try, They do specialise in Crank and Cam Grinding, but would worth a ring. LJ
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Tue, May 26, 2020 1:24 AM
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Hi Mike, My man got back to Me last Night, Unfortunately His Boring Bar can only Handle 12" max.Surely there is some One down in the Socialist Republic of Victoria that has a Larger Unit to Help out . another thought up here in the Banana Republic would be Mendams in Brisbane, don't have a Number though, Maybe Ivantighe Eng. 07-33088888 would be worth a try, They do specialise in Crank and Cam Grinding, but would worth a ring. LJ
OK Lance, thanks for checking, I'm sure there is somewhere that can do them.
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Mike
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Tue, May 26, 2020 3:53 AM
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OK Lance, thanks for checking, I'm sure there is somewhere that can do them.
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The longest sleeve I have found here in Oz is 12" for that bore size, not being a Machinist or having seen sleeves fitted, but read here previously they get fitted with a lip in the cylinder to prevent them being pulled down into the crankshaft, I wonder if the boring bar only needs to cut down 12" for the new sleeve, and the final clean up of the new bore is done by 4 stone hones, or are the new sleeves bored to size then honed?
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The longest sleeve I have found here in Oz is 12" for that bore size, not being a Machinist or having seen sleeves fitted, but read here previously they get fitted with a lip in the cylinder to prevent them being pulled down into the crankshaft, I wonder if the boring bar only needs to cut down 12" for the new sleeve, and the final clean up of the new bore is done by 4 stone hones, or are the new sleeves bored to size then honed?
Thanks
Mike
[quote="Mike Meyer"]The longest sleeve I have found here in Oz is 12" for that bore size, not being a Machinist or having seen sleeves fitted, but read here previously they get fitted with a lip in the cylinder to prevent them being pulled down into the crankshaft, I wonder if the boring bar only needs to cut down 12" for the new sleeve, and the final clean up of the new bore is done by 4 stone hones, or are the new sleeves bored to size then honed?
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Mike[/quote]
I'm Guessing the inserts would be already to size on the ID and come with a recommended interference. I have done them but left the trade in 2002 so a bit out of touch.
Regarding the boring bar. We used to make them every day of the week to suit the range of jobs that were landed on our shop floor. Most Fitter/machinists would be able to make one if they didn't have one to get the required 12'' or more you mention. we used to bronze carbide tips to any solid bar we could find laying around the shop to make a home made boring bar LOL. They worked fine, but like most things just not taught anymore to apprentices.
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[quote="Mike Meyer"]The longest sleeve I have found here in Oz is 12" for that bore size, not being a Machinist or having seen sleeves fitted, but read here previously they get fitted with a lip in the cylinder to prevent them being pulled down into the crankshaft, I wonder if the boring bar only needs to cut down 12" for the new sleeve, and the final clean up of the new bore is done by 4 stone hones, or are the new sleeves bored to size then honed?
Thanks
Mike[/quote]
I'm Guessing the inserts would be already to size on the ID and come with a recommended interference. I have done them but left the trade in 2002 so a bit out of touch.
Regarding the boring bar. We used to make them every day of the week to suit the range of jobs that were landed on our shop floor. Most Fitter/machinists would be able to make one if they didn't have one to get the required 12'' or more you mention. we used to bronze carbide tips to any solid bar we could find laying around the shop to make a home made boring bar LOL. They worked fine, but like most things just not taught anymore to apprentices.
Hi Lachlan, you make it sound like something my next door neighbor Geoff could with his vertical mill, he's a very clever Fitter and Turner but never done any engine work that I'm aware of, I was just leery of the project going pear shaped if I got him involved, those Cat Thirty cylinders have a very thin section at the base that only looks about 1/4" thick and is a couple of inches high, not a lot of metal there to cut a ledge to support the new liner.

My other cylinders that have been re-sleeved a million years ago and flogged those sleeves out were bored right through the whole 13.5", and a couple of those look like they were starting to drag the liners down, I've been told to simply glue the new liners in with a proper Loctite type glue, but I assume there is a interference fit required, as you say the supplier will no doubt have a spec. , I contacted Engines Australia last year, they sell new sleeves, I reckon they were around $60 each.
All the best
Mike
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