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Cat 12 Grader main engine throttle minor issue

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Russelln
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Hello, I’m new to this forum as I never had the pleasure of owning CAT Equipment before.
To make a long story short, My Dad used to work for Caltrans back during the day as a heavy equipment operator “When they actually built the highways before sub-contracting it all out” and my parents also own a 200 acre ranch.

Last year, my dad passed, my mom is still with us, but in a nutshell, she said I inherited the ranch, the equipment, the cattle and everything that is on it and to have fun, but one of the conditions, by law, is that a fire break has to be cut inside the fence line by the roadway.

As far as CAT equipment, I have a Dozer model D8 2U and a #12 8T Grader.

As luck would have it, I have no reason to mess with the Dozer at this time but I already spent some time reading, watching You Tube Videos and obtaining a complete set of manuals and spending hours on hours on this discussion board and others, to this Grader so I could figure out how to operate it. And in doing so I am able to operate it, although those levers will make a Man out of you after working with it for about 4 hours at a time.

The minor issue I am having with this CAT 12 Motor Grader is that part of the throttle assembly in the cab is missing. From the information I gathered, I have a CAT 12 Serial 8T6375 which would make it a 1949 Machine.

From looking at the parts book, I do have a complete 5B2726 which is the handle “Lever assembly” which includes a Knob, pin, spring and pawl for shutting the fuel off when shutting down, But on my Lever Assembly, I am missing the Button on top, the spring and possibly some sort of Rod that will allow me to set the throttle to a certain position and keep it there. I see the Pawl as 2B5394 and a Spring listed as L-955.

The question is: Am I on the right track here? And is there more parts to this assembly that are NOT listed in the parts book?

Currently, My dad shoved a bolt down that hole and has a big spring off of god knows what to aid holding it into position, but it does not work well for me and I really want it right and to maintain the speed I set it at because I need both hands for other things while on that beast.

Thanks a million..
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Fri, Jul 19, 2013 10:39 AM
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Good evening Russel and welcome to the board....

I'll try to get some pics of the lever and post them. Also will look at the parts book and maybe be able to help in some way.

Thomas
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Fri, Jul 19, 2013 11:25 AM
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Good evening Russel and welcome to the board....

I'll try to get some pics of the lever and post them. Also will look at the parts book and maybe be able to help in some way.

Thomas
Hi, Russelln.
Welkum too ther 4rum. Yes, I suspect that you are on the right track as regards your throttle lever mechanism. The button on top controlled a pawl which engaged a ratchet on the underside of an arc that ran through the pawl.

[attachment=18613]DSCN0493.jpg[/attachment][attachment=18614]DSCN0490.jpg[/attachment]

These two photos are of the throttle mechanism on a Cat 22 crawler but many of the early Cat machines had a similar arrangement, including the early Cat graders.

Your grader should had oughta have a foot accelerator too, just outboard of the brake pedal. It is a good idea to get used to using this when operating instead of the hand throttle because it gives you much more control over your machine.

Here is a thread with a link in to an earlier ar-tickle that might be of some help to you with regard to your grader controls.

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?18595-Common-Machinery-Maintenance

The ar-tickle lists some adjustments that can be made to various parts of your grader controls to take some of the wear out of the equation and make them easier to use.

Hope this helps.
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Fri, Jul 19, 2013 7:34 PM
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Reply to Deas Plant.:
Hi, Russelln.
Welkum too ther 4rum. Yes, I suspect that you are on the right track as regards your throttle lever mechanism. The button on top controlled a pawl which engaged a ratchet on the underside of an arc that ran through the pawl.

[attachment=18613]DSCN0493.jpg[/attachment][attachment=18614]DSCN0490.jpg[/attachment]

These two photos are of the throttle mechanism on a Cat 22 crawler but many of the early Cat machines had a similar arrangement, including the early Cat graders.

Your grader should had oughta have a foot accelerator too, just outboard of the brake pedal. It is a good idea to get used to using this when operating instead of the hand throttle because it gives you much more control over your machine.

Here is a thread with a link in to an earlier ar-tickle that might be of some help to you with regard to your grader controls.

http://www.acmoc.org/bb/showthread.php?18595-Common-Machinery-Maintenance

The ar-tickle lists some adjustments that can be made to various parts of your grader controls to take some of the wear out of the equation and make them easier to use.

Hope this helps.
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I agree with deas. If your decelerator is working correctly you only need the throttle to stay at wide open. You adjust engine speed with decelerator. Take it slow and you will get the job done. Those control levers need a quick pull or push. You can not feather them like hydraulic controls.
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Fri, Jul 19, 2013 7:47 PM
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I agree with deas. If your decelerator is working correctly you only need the throttle to stay at wide open. You adjust engine speed with decelerator. Take it slow and you will get the job done. Those control levers need a quick pull or push. You can not feather them like hydraulic controls.
[attachment=18615]DSCN0178.jpg[/attachment]Thanks Guys,

The Decelerator is working correctly. It was one of the first things I discovered when I stepped on it by accident, but my issue is that with the bolt and spring setup my dad had on there I can keep the throttle full open, it vibrates it’s way back to half throttle without stepping on the decelerator.

I’m bound and determined to fix this thing and make it right.

I have already done my repairs on the pony engine, which amounted to cleaning out the gas tank and installing a basic carb kit and a new fuel shutoff valve and hoses. I also had to replace a couple of hydraulic hoses from the spooler valve to the tank. I have hydraulic Steering and a mold board which I think is the correct term that makes the blade move side to side. Everything else is gear driven.

I should mention, that YES, I changed all fluids both Gas and Diesel, I do shut the pony off by cutting fuel and not the switch. The Pony runs flawlessly and always starts within 15 seconds now where it was starving for fuel before.

I should of mentioned, that I do have the ratchet assembly as well. My setup looks like the button broke or came off and some and all the inners flew out leaving me with a floating throttle system.
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Fri, Jul 19, 2013 10:36 PM
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[attachment=18615]DSCN0178.jpg[/attachment]Thanks Guys,

The Decelerator is working correctly. It was one of the first things I discovered when I stepped on it by accident, but my issue is that with the bolt and spring setup my dad had on there I can keep the throttle full open, it vibrates it’s way back to half throttle without stepping on the decelerator.

I’m bound and determined to fix this thing and make it right.

I have already done my repairs on the pony engine, which amounted to cleaning out the gas tank and installing a basic carb kit and a new fuel shutoff valve and hoses. I also had to replace a couple of hydraulic hoses from the spooler valve to the tank. I have hydraulic Steering and a mold board which I think is the correct term that makes the blade move side to side. Everything else is gear driven.

I should mention, that YES, I changed all fluids both Gas and Diesel, I do shut the pony off by cutting fuel and not the switch. The Pony runs flawlessly and always starts within 15 seconds now where it was starving for fuel before.

I should of mentioned, that I do have the ratchet assembly as well. My setup looks like the button broke or came off and some and all the inners flew out leaving me with a floating throttle system.
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Foothills of the Sierra?

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Sat, Jul 20, 2013 2:04 AM
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Foothills of the Sierra?

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Hi, Russelln and Daron.
Now I'm scratching my head. Yes, there is a DE-celerator there but it is under your heel when you are sitting in the seat. Why would you want to use that, as awkward as that would be? It was mostly only for shutting the engine down - stomp on it and you turned of the fuel to the engine.

What I was talking about was using the AC-celerator which is on the FRONT end of that same arm on the rocker pivot under the floor. This gives you WY more control over your machine than either working with the throttle wide open or trying to use that little DE-celerator pedal under your heel.

Just my 0.02.
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Sat, Jul 20, 2013 2:40 AM
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Hi, Russelln and Daron.
Now I'm scratching my head. Yes, there is a DE-celerator there but it is under your heel when you are sitting in the seat. Why would you want to use that, as awkward as that would be? It was mostly only for shutting the engine down - stomp on it and you turned of the fuel to the engine.

What I was talking about was using the AC-celerator which is on the FRONT end of that same arm on the rocker pivot under the floor. This gives you WY more control over your machine than either working with the throttle wide open or trying to use that little DE-celerator pedal under your heel.

Just my 0.02.
Deas the 8T series only has a decelerator. There is no accelerator.
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Sat, Jul 20, 2013 5:45 AM
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Reply to kracked1:
Deas the 8T series only has a decelerator. There is no accelerator.
I like the inclusion of that bottle of Bundaberg ginger beer on the fender of that 22 - just what the doctor ordered..
That is one clean tractor - especially the gauges and fuel valve lever
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Sat, Jul 20, 2013 9:14 AM
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Reply to kracked1:
Deas the 8T series only has a decelerator. There is no accelerator.


Correct, I only have a decelerator and it only takes it down to idle. It will not shut off.
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Sat, Jul 20, 2013 10:04 PM
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Foothills of the Sierra?

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[quote="daron"]Foothills of the Sierra?

Daron[/quote]

Yes Sir. Around Sonora.
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