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can I play logger with a No.25 ccu on my D69u

can I play logger with a No.25 ccu on my D69u

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snowshoveler
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"Play" thats the operation I am interested in.
I have located a winch on a D7 of the same vintage as mine, good shape considering the tractor is powered by a 6.2 diesel chebby.
I will be needing the adaptor 4F123 or if lucky the adaptor group 4F3417.
My books tell me the winch itself is the same from d6 to d7.
Brother the machinest claimes he can handle making or altering the pto shaft if I can't locate one.
I know you folks are about to recall my crawler and make me use a wheelbarrow to go logging...ha ha.
We don't have the big trees here anymore and seldom have the need to haul with a crawler.
However its just hobby toy so if these No.25 ccus can pul the 5000 lbs as claimed thats enough for me and then some.
So if anyone just happens to have a few of the parts I might need let me know.
Regards Chris
PS a friend of mine is a long haul trucker on the east coast and could possibly pick up the adaptor.
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Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:38 AM
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The #25CCU is not recommended as a logging winch but I know they get used for that purpose. Maybe someone has better specs on their pull rating but I have never been able to find it other than way back on early models before the 9Dxxxx.

I have the 4F0123 adapter but the drive that would go with it is buggered up.
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Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:49 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
The #25CCU is not recommended as a logging winch but I know they get used for that purpose. Maybe someone has better specs on their pull rating but I have never been able to find it other than way back on early models before the 9Dxxxx.

I have the 4F0123 adapter but the drive that would go with it is buggered up.
I have the operator/maintenance book as well as the parts book.
They don't actually give a pull rating. However reading every page I could find the 5000 lbs was a guesstimate that was not discounted.
Also with good quality 1/2 inch cable you have to be carefull not to part the cable. Must be at least as good as a farm tractor with a pto winch.
While its certainly not the towing monster that the logging winch is I think it just might allow me to play in the woods a bit.
Regards Chris
193? d4400 cat powerunit
1950 john deere M
1959 international t5 crawler
1977 powerking 1216 tractor
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Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:00 AM
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Do you have a logging arch? I think you will be disappointed with the 5000 pound pull spec skidding logs, but especially if the butts are digging in behind the crawler. Maybe routing the cable out the sheaves/swivels would allow you to lift the end well enough.

I would keep looking for a towing winch since you don't have everything for the #25 anyway.
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Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:15 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Do you have a logging arch? I think you will be disappointed with the 5000 pound pull spec skidding logs, but especially if the butts are digging in behind the crawler. Maybe routing the cable out the sheaves/swivels would allow you to lift the end well enough.

I would keep looking for a towing winch since you don't have everything for the #25 anyway.
I am liking the 5000 lb pull especially if I can use the 2 drums. I can get an arch from a skidder but had planned to use the swivel pulleys on the winch.
The logs I am planning to tow are only 12 to 15 inch on the big end and maybe 50 feet long. Thats not much challenge for a 5000 lb winch.
I would winch them up to the cat and then perhaps fasten them to a seperate block and then take the cables back for another 1 or 2.
The more I think about it the more I want to go play.
Regards Chris
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Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:27 AM
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Reply to snowshoveler:
I am liking the 5000 lb pull especially if I can use the 2 drums. I can get an arch from a skidder but had planned to use the swivel pulleys on the winch.
The logs I am planning to tow are only 12 to 15 inch on the big end and maybe 50 feet long. Thats not much challenge for a 5000 lb winch.
I would winch them up to the cat and then perhaps fasten them to a seperate block and then take the cables back for another 1 or 2.
The more I think about it the more I want to go play.
Regards Chris
Then that was a pretty good guess, 5,000 lb pull (bare drum) on the old
9Rxxxx units is the only pull specs I have been able to find. That early unit was worm gear drive.
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Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:00 AM
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Then that was a pretty good guess, 5,000 lb pull (bare drum) on the old
9Rxxxx units is the only pull specs I have been able to find. That early unit was worm gear drive.
Hello Snowshovler. Couple things you need to watch, first would be line speed, I don't remember the feet/minute but its really fast for logging. It is very easy to pull the line in two winching in a hitch and especially driving on the tracks. with that said it has been done before with light hitches that avoid stumps and rocks. have fun. Chum
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Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:54 AM
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Reply to chumduffy:
Hello Snowshovler. Couple things you need to watch, first would be line speed, I don't remember the feet/minute but its really fast for logging. It is very easy to pull the line in two winching in a hitch and especially driving on the tracks. with that said it has been done before with light hitches that avoid stumps and rocks. have fun. Chum
Snowshoveller, if you can get the butt up in the air right behind the tractor, then your risk of damage should be pretty low with logs that small. Also, if you trim the logs they'll pull more easily too. Make sure you post pics (especially of the broken winch : )
Cheers,
Neil
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Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:06 PM
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Snowshoveller, if you can get the butt up in the air right behind the tractor, then your risk of damage should be pretty low with logs that small. Also, if you trim the logs they'll pull more easily too. Make sure you post pics (especially of the broken winch : )
Cheers,
Neil
To much strain for a cable control! the brake wont hold that much pull and it will wear out the friction discs in a hurry.
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Wed, Sep 18, 2013 7:55 AM
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To much strain for a cable control! the brake wont hold that much pull and it will wear out the friction discs in a hurry.
Agree, sheaves are what give the cable control power, by itself it would just smoke the seals out of it.
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Wed, Sep 18, 2013 8:58 AM
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Reply to DPete:
Agree, sheaves are what give the cable control power, by itself it would just smoke the seals out of it.
Use a choker or a cable with a boxing glove end and hook to the drawbar. Don't take a chance using the cable control for a winch.
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