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avocadofarmer
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Hi Gang, a little help again please. I just picked up a nice D-8 14A 5xx. I'm getting reasdy to do my usual and order the manuals, BUT, the tags are missing from the Cable Control unit. It is 2 drums, MFD by Cat. Any ideas on what the unit number might be?

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Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:14 AM
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That would be a #25 CCU as original but a #126 would also fit.
Serial numbers ranged from 9D501 to 9D51934+ on the #25, the #126 is a later replacement.
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Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:50 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
That would be a #25 CCU as original but a #126 would also fit.
Serial numbers ranged from 9D501 to 9D51934+ on the #25, the #126 is a later replacement.
Thanks for the help!
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Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:38 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
That would be a #25 CCU as original but a #126 would also fit.
Serial numbers ranged from 9D501 to 9D51934+ on the #25, the #126 is a later replacement.
[quote="Old Magnet"]That would be a #25 CCU as original but a #126 would also fit.
Serial numbers ranged from 9D501 to 9D51934+ on the #25, the #126 is a later replacement.[/quote]

avocado farmer,

Not necessary, then the 14A’s came out the new tractors and the pipe layer were all powered by a 191 bhp, 1200 rpm, 5 3/4" bore diesel engine. The new engine solved the problem of driving the rear mounted cable controls independently of the tractor transmission. An auxiliary drive shaft extended along the right side from diesel engine auxiliary power shaft through a drive line with a universal joint at each end. Various couplings and drives could be attached. For example,the No. 29 Double Drum Cable Control Unit. Check for the drive line under the deck, you may very well have a number 29 unit. If your unit has to have the master clutch engaged to work you have the Number 25 unit or the later 126 unit. If the unit works with out engaging the master clutch (live power) you would have the Number 29 unit.
Kelly
avocado farmer,

I forgot…., the serial number plate should bear the prefix 56C for the 29 Unit. Not having the serial number plate you can us a little paint remover between the pin holes were it was and see if there is a number stamped in the metal.
Kelly
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Fri, Aug 27, 2010 1:18 AM
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Reply to Kelly:
[quote="Old Magnet"]That would be a #25 CCU as original but a #126 would also fit.
Serial numbers ranged from 9D501 to 9D51934+ on the #25, the #126 is a later replacement.[/quote]

avocado farmer,

Not necessary, then the 14A’s came out the new tractors and the pipe layer were all powered by a 191 bhp, 1200 rpm, 5 3/4" bore diesel engine. The new engine solved the problem of driving the rear mounted cable controls independently of the tractor transmission. An auxiliary drive shaft extended along the right side from diesel engine auxiliary power shaft through a drive line with a universal joint at each end. Various couplings and drives could be attached. For example,the No. 29 Double Drum Cable Control Unit. Check for the drive line under the deck, you may very well have a number 29 unit. If your unit has to have the master clutch engaged to work you have the Number 25 unit or the later 126 unit. If the unit works with out engaging the master clutch (live power) you would have the Number 29 unit.
Kelly
avocado farmer,

I forgot…., the serial number plate should bear the prefix 56C for the 29 Unit. Not having the serial number plate you can us a little paint remover between the pin holes were it was and see if there is a number stamped in the metal.
Kelly
Yes Kelly, your right,
Wasn't thinking to clearly when I answered that one, even when I knew better. The #127 (replacement for the #29) could also be added to the mix. So there are four candidate CCU's, two drive shaft models and two earlier style.
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Yes Kelly, your right,
Wasn't thinking to clearly when I answered that one, even when I knew better. The #127 (replacement for the #29) could also be added to the mix. So there are four candidate CCU's, two drive shaft models and two earlier style.
[quote="Old Magnet"]Yes Kelly, your right,
Wasn't thinking to clearly when I answered that one, even when I knew better. The #127 (replacement for the #29) could also be added to the mix. So there are four candidate CCU's, two drive shaft models and two earlier style.[/quote]

OM,
I don’t recall seeing a 127 unit mounted on a 14or15A, only on the D7E’s, but I presume it could be done with a adapter group.

Maybe the avocado farmer will come back and tells what he has when he finds out…will be interesting.

Kelly
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Sat, Aug 28, 2010 3:07 AM
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Reply to Kelly:
[quote="Old Magnet"]Yes Kelly, your right,
Wasn't thinking to clearly when I answered that one, even when I knew better. The #127 (replacement for the #29) could also be added to the mix. So there are four candidate CCU's, two drive shaft models and two earlier style.[/quote]

OM,
I don’t recall seeing a 127 unit mounted on a 14or15A, only on the D7E’s, but I presume it could be done with a adapter group.

Maybe the avocado farmer will come back and tells what he has when he finds out…will be interesting.

Kelly
Hi Kelly,
I can't find my parts book (if I have one) but the Operation and Maintenance Instructions for the #127 CCU states "Formerly #29 CCU" and in the back of the book are specifications for use with tractors
D7E, D8 & D9.
Also reference to early D8's with some pictures of how they make the controls work. Can't say that I've seen an actual application either.
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Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:21 AM
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Hi Kelly,
I can't find my parts book (if I have one) but the Operation and Maintenance Instructions for the #127 CCU states "Formerly #29 CCU" and in the back of the book are specifications for use with tractors
D7E, D8 & D9.
Also reference to early D8's with some pictures of how they make the controls work. Can't say that I've seen an actual application either.
OK Gents,

thanks so much for the help. i do have a machine with the auxiliary shaft running the CCU, and the main clutch does not need to be engaged to operate the CCU. Unfortunately, there was no number or ID of any type stamped in the housing. I DID find out that i had misread the serial number on the machine and actually have a much newer machine ser # 57xx, not 57x, so it was still well worth my looking at the machine again! She runs nice, a few minor leaks and such. Somewhere along the line converted to direct start. My 17 year old son pointed out I'm near a royal flush, I'm only missing a D5 and D9
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Sun, Aug 29, 2010 4:19 AM
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Reply to avocadofarmer:
OK Gents,

thanks so much for the help. i do have a machine with the auxiliary shaft running the CCU, and the main clutch does not need to be engaged to operate the CCU. Unfortunately, there was no number or ID of any type stamped in the housing. I DID find out that i had misread the serial number on the machine and actually have a much newer machine ser # 57xx, not 57x, so it was still well worth my looking at the machine again! She runs nice, a few minor leaks and such. Somewhere along the line converted to direct start. My 17 year old son pointed out I'm near a royal flush, I'm only missing a D5 and D9
That would make it a 1957 model.
Most likely is a #29 CCU. If it has the six bolt cover next to the drain plug it's a #29. The #127 has the drain plug but does not show the six bolt cover in what literature I have. Also the #127 does not have that two bolt boss on the RH cover.

Here is a picture of the #29.

You can also barely make out where the serial number plate is located at the top of the RH case by the sheves, if that's where you've been looking.
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Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:31 AM
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That would make it a 1957 model.
Most likely is a #29 CCU. If it has the six bolt cover next to the drain plug it's a #29. The #127 has the drain plug but does not show the six bolt cover in what literature I have. Also the #127 does not have that two bolt boss on the RH cover.

Here is a picture of the #29.

You can also barely make out where the serial number plate is located at the top of the RH case by the sheves, if that's where you've been looking.
Thanks for the photo OM. The spot you describe is exactly where I've been lookin. The rivet holes are there, just no numbers. Oh well, you and the other folks have done a great job helping me figure out what I've got. Likely i'll spend the long weekend next weekend changing fluids, filters and greasing. Also getting a cable control ripper from Willie to actually make this a working machine prepping ground for new avocado and lemon plantings
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Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41 AM
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Reply to avocadofarmer:
Thanks for the photo OM. The spot you describe is exactly where I've been lookin. The rivet holes are there, just no numbers. Oh well, you and the other folks have done a great job helping me figure out what I've got. Likely i'll spend the long weekend next weekend changing fluids, filters and greasing. Also getting a cable control ripper from Willie to actually make this a working machine prepping ground for new avocado and lemon plantings
I wonder if that's the #28 ripper that Willie was asking me about the weight on???
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Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:43 AM
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