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Block interchange 9U and Late 8T oil clutch

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Been PMing with Catboy on his need for a block for his 9U. I have one from an oil clutch 8T. Is this an acceptable replacement? I can't remember for sure but I don't think it has a rear main seal or a place for it. Also has different rear main cap/bearing to accommodate clutch oiling.

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Mon, Mar 18, 2019 8:43 PM
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I think you are correct, there has to be something different in that area to allow oil flow. Even if it was just the rear main cap, having to swap that out should require line boring to insure correct alignment and tolerances.

Should be lots of good blocks available. Some of the problems that plague other engines like liner counterbore erosion were apparently pretty rare in the 1940's and 1950's engines.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Mon, Mar 18, 2019 9:55 PM
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I think you are correct, there has to be something different in that area to allow oil flow. Even if it was just the rear main cap, having to swap that out should require line boring to insure correct alignment and tolerances.

Should be lots of good blocks available. Some of the problems that plague other engines like liner counterbore erosion were apparently pretty rare in the 1940's and 1950's engines.
Due to the oil clutch oil supply coming from the engine oil pump to the clutch the engines are not interchangeable.
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Mon, Mar 18, 2019 10:32 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Due to the oil clutch oil supply coming from the engine oil pump to the clutch the engines are not interchangeable.
The d6-9u block motor 9u 1 to 9u11928-- 4f7054 block
the 8t block motor 8t1 to 8t11251---4f7054 block
in micro fisch
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Tue, Mar 19, 2019 12:09 AM
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The d6-9u block motor 9u 1 to 9u11928-- 4f7054 block
the 8t block motor 8t1 to 8t11251---4f7054 block
in micro fisch
my 9u is serial number 9u27xxx. What blocks would interchange with it?
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Tue, Mar 19, 2019 7:47 AM
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my 9u is serial number 9u27xxx. What blocks would interchange with it?
The d6 serie 20a and maybe 10a should be correct
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Tue, Mar 19, 2019 5:22 PM
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The d6 serie 20a and maybe 10a should be correct
What is the s/n of the engine you are looking to replace and how much of the engine do you need? If it's just a basic block there are lots of options. The oil clutch 8T is not an option, different crankshaft and block with 4-bolt rear main bearing cap and wider bearing to accommodate the oil clutch supply.
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Wed, Mar 20, 2019 4:54 AM
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Any oil clutch 9U or 8U tractor has the correct block. Part number is 1H5655, casting number is 1H5652. Oil clutch came standard after 9U13263, though there were probably plenty earlier model tractors that were converted as well.

Some older D318's had a block casting number 4F6480. Part number is usually something similar just a few numbers higher. I got that number off an engine I thought came out of a 9u tractor, but who knows where it really came from since I couldn't find a serial number on it today. I might be looking at an oddball, Not sure at what machine serial number that block was replaced by the newer casting, because my parts book starts at 13263. I don't know what the differences might be between the two castings, but I seriously doubt you couldn't swap whole engines. Maybe not good to mix and match internal parts though?????
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Wed, Mar 20, 2019 6:02 AM
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Any oil clutch 9U or 8U tractor has the correct block. Part number is 1H5655, casting number is 1H5652. Oil clutch came standard after 9U13263, though there were probably plenty earlier model tractors that were converted as well.

Some older D318's had a block casting number 4F6480. Part number is usually something similar just a few numbers higher. I got that number off an engine I thought came out of a 9u tractor, but who knows where it really came from since I couldn't find a serial number on it today. I might be looking at an oddball, Not sure at what machine serial number that block was replaced by the newer casting, because my parts book starts at 13263. I don't know what the differences might be between the two castings, but I seriously doubt you couldn't swap whole engines. Maybe not good to mix and match internal parts though?????
Unfortunately it looks like we’re out of luck this time Catboy. Good luck with your quest.
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Wed, Mar 20, 2019 10:26 AM
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Unfortunately it looks like we’re out of luck this time Catboy. Good luck with your quest.
Thanks for checking it all out for me captain k
It would have been terrible to get one to the island where I live and have it not fit.
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Wed, Mar 20, 2019 8:26 PM
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are you looking for an entire engine to swap in or just a new block?
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Fri, Mar 22, 2019 12:02 AM
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