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wrenchy
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Does anyone know if I can use the same synthetic oil for the final drive that I use for the trans. My first post. 1975 941b
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Wed, May 21, 2014 6:06 AM
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Cat originally called for CD oil in the crankcase,transmission,bevel gear,steering clutch and final drives
above 32* F it called for SAE 30 except for the final drives SAE 50
since then Cat has come out with a much better oil for the powershift transmission and pedal steering clutches
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Wed, May 21, 2014 6:56 AM
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Cat originally called for CD oil in the crankcase,transmission,bevel gear,steering clutch and final drives
above 32* F it called for SAE 30 except for the final drives SAE 50
since then Cat has come out with a much better oil for the powershift transmission and pedal steering clutches
I did talk to the Cat dealer and while not very helpful mumbled that TO-4 was recommended. Any thought on that? Thanks.
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Wed, May 21, 2014 7:06 AM
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I did talk to the Cat dealer and while not very helpful mumbled that TO-4 was recommended. Any thought on that? Thanks.
Yes--that is what I switched to for the transmission and steering clutches--using 30 wt oil
its suppose to have better friction capability where you have oil clutch plates and increase the life also
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Wed, May 21, 2014 7:21 AM
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Yes--that is what I switched to for the transmission and steering clutches--using 30 wt oil
its suppose to have better friction capability where you have oil clutch plates and increase the life also
TO-4 is suitable for all transmission compartments including the bevel gear, we used to use 30w right through the transmission and final drives through the 1960's '70's and 80's and the 941 comes well within this era.
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Wed, May 21, 2014 3:39 PM
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TO-4 is suitable for all transmission compartments including the bevel gear, we used to use 30w right through the transmission and final drives through the 1960's '70's and 80's and the 941 comes well within this era.


Thank you dpendzic andcatsilver form your advice. I felt 30W was too thin for final drives. Now I know it is OK. Thanks again.
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Thu, May 22, 2014 6:03 AM
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Thank you dpendzic andcatsilver form your advice. I felt 30W was too thin for final drives. Now I know it is OK. Thanks again.
I don't agree with Catsilver--30 wt oil seems way to thin to me for a final drive--so i don't use it there
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Thu, May 22, 2014 7:13 AM
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I don't agree with Catsilver--30 wt oil seems way to thin to me for a final drive--so i don't use it there
I would agree, something a little heavier would be desirable.
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Thu, May 22, 2014 7:33 AM
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when i worked at the dealer, we had major customers (multibillion dollar companies) and they ran 5w30 in every single compartment on every single machine, whether it was a pipelayer, excavator, bulldozer or backhoe. they ran all breeds of equipment, cat, JD, Hitachi, kobelco, komatsu, bell, they ran small stuff from d3 d4 size bulldozers and pipelayers to the big stuff, d9's, d-10's, and 80 ton excavators. operators weren't the brightest or best and they didn't have increased downtime from irregular wear due to oil selection. we would have known about it.

i agree a person should always consult the owners manual and use the manufacturers recommended fluid. But there are circumstances where a person can use oil different to the manufacturers specs, but generally this is done with known risks, and for a specific reason.
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Thu, May 22, 2014 8:32 AM
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when i worked at the dealer, we had major customers (multibillion dollar companies) and they ran 5w30 in every single compartment on every single machine, whether it was a pipelayer, excavator, bulldozer or backhoe. they ran all breeds of equipment, cat, JD, Hitachi, kobelco, komatsu, bell, they ran small stuff from d3 d4 size bulldozers and pipelayers to the big stuff, d9's, d-10's, and 80 ton excavators. operators weren't the brightest or best and they didn't have increased downtime from irregular wear due to oil selection. we would have known about it.

i agree a person should always consult the owners manual and use the manufacturers recommended fluid. But there are circumstances where a person can use oil different to the manufacturers specs, but generally this is done with known risks, and for a specific reason.
you would be wise to listen to catsilver!
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Thu, May 22, 2014 11:44 AM
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you would be wise to listen to catsilver!
We used 30w in engines and transmissions to reduce the range of oil to be held in stock, the only time I have known the thinner oil to cause a failure was when one customer used 10W-30 in his power shift D4H transmissions, the needle roller bearings were breaking up in 6000hrs and the polymers in the oil to give it multigrade function were breaking down. High loads on needle rollers and multigrade oils don't go together.
On some of the major Indus Basin dam projects in Pakistan, they used 30W in all compartments to prevent the wrong oil being put in, it worked, we didn't get early failures, although I do remember on my first day at work, 50 years ago last week, we warmed up the EP140 on a fire so we could pour it in the final drives and gearbox of a D4 2T, it was working in deep mud hauling timber and the purpose was to keep the oil in the machine, as it would not leak as quickly as the more regular 90w of the time!
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Thu, May 22, 2014 5:16 PM
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