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Been awhile since i have stopped by.Got a question thou.D6 Cat engine

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I ran across a D6 that's advertised as having a Detroit engine in it. My question is did they do that in the Caterpillars? Seems strange to me .This is an old farm Cat. Well at least I'm assuming it is because its in farm country. Anyways it has a dozer on it and is for sale .Was thinking about buying it. Was thinking about light work with the dozer and maybe pull a plow or harrow . Was wondering what it is worth ? Been sitting for a long time it looks like . Anyways whatever information you guys can give would be a great help . Thanks
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Mon, Jan 9, 2017 1:14 PM
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If value and respect your ears you wont insult them with a Gm screaming in them, buy a tractor with its proper engine, however if you like noise and not much else, buy it.
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Mon, Jan 9, 2017 4:10 PM
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If value and respect your ears you wont insult them with a Gm screaming in them, buy a tractor with its proper engine, however if you like noise and not much else, buy it.
They put a few different engines in 9u's in the Palouse area for farm use.I have one with a 1673 230hp cat engine and a friend of mine has one with a 3306 DIT.These were great conversions and worked very well.The Detroit conversions were not as desirable.As far as value I saw one with a 6-71 sell for 2 grand several years ago,no blade.If the one you are looking at is the one I'm thinking of it has been for sale a while,has a 4-71?The value would depend on condition of the undercarriage and the blade adds value.
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Mon, Jan 9, 2017 7:56 PM
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They put a few different engines in 9u's in the Palouse area for farm use.I have one with a 1673 230hp cat engine and a friend of mine has one with a 3306 DIT.These were great conversions and worked very well.The Detroit conversions were not as desirable.As far as value I saw one with a 6-71 sell for 2 grand several years ago,no blade.If the one you are looking at is the one I'm thinking of it has been for sale a while,has a 4-71?The value would depend on condition of the undercarriage and the blade adds value.
Not up on specs for a Detroit,but know the RPMs would be higher than the 1400 for early or 1600 a late 9u came from the factory with.So the transmission gearing would make a bit faster to a lot faster so not so good for dozer work. May be just right to pull a harrow and pass the rubber tired tractors.
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Mon, Jan 9, 2017 10:58 PM
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RPM would be about 2100, or about 50% faster ground speed but you have to remember full rpm/power settings would be dangerous to the drive train in the lower gears anyway. Seems like the usual procedure was to block out 1st and 2nd gears on the ag tractors repowered with 6-71's. Definitely would want to make sure the grousers were pretty worn down or use conservative throttle settings if doing dozer work.

The DD engine might be a better repower than one of the inline 4 stroke engines since the torque on the smaller ones is generally reported to drop off pretty quickly as the rpm falls. The lower rpm torque peak of the 4 stroke engines could get dangerous!

If the 9U in question has a 4-53 or 4-71, the HP and torque wouldn't be so out of line.
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Tue, Jan 10, 2017 12:50 AM
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RPM would be about 2100, or about 50% faster ground speed but you have to remember full rpm/power settings would be dangerous to the drive train in the lower gears anyway. Seems like the usual procedure was to block out 1st and 2nd gears on the ag tractors repowered with 6-71's. Definitely would want to make sure the grousers were pretty worn down or use conservative throttle settings if doing dozer work.

The DD engine might be a better repower than one of the inline 4 stroke engines since the torque on the smaller ones is generally reported to drop off pretty quickly as the rpm falls. The lower rpm torque peak of the 4 stroke engines could get dangerous!

If the 9U in question has a 4-53 or 4-71, the HP and torque wouldn't be so out of line.
Could you post a photo of the Cat, it would be interesting to see the engine and how they mounted it. Detroits are dependable, clever design especially for their time, rather noisy, and burn a little more fuel than a four stroke diesel. Low RPM torque, like others have said is not a 2 stroke diesels strong point. They tend to run forever, and so do Cat Diesels. I would rather have the original low RPM Cat 4 stroke diesel in the tractor. It really depends on your application, price point and needs. I have never seen a DD Detroit 2 stroke in a Cat crawler. Would love to see a couple photos of it.
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Tue, Jan 10, 2017 3:23 AM
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Could you post a photo of the Cat, it would be interesting to see the engine and how they mounted it. Detroits are dependable, clever design especially for their time, rather noisy, and burn a little more fuel than a four stroke diesel. Low RPM torque, like others have said is not a 2 stroke diesels strong point. They tend to run forever, and so do Cat Diesels. I would rather have the original low RPM Cat 4 stroke diesel in the tractor. It really depends on your application, price point and needs. I have never seen a DD Detroit 2 stroke in a Cat crawler. Would love to see a couple photos of it.
Personally I would stay away from it. Much better to either find one with a the original 318 or at the very least one with a newer caterpillar engine. Got a friend of mine who recently bought a 9U D6 with a 3306 conversion that also had been wet decked for $5,500 but no dozer. It also has a cab, AC, and newer style seat, and has live 2 value hydraulic system out the back. He was strickley looking at it to farm with on the side.
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Tue, Jan 10, 2017 3:49 AM
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Personally I would stay away from it. Much better to either find one with a the original 318 or at the very least one with a newer caterpillar engine. Got a friend of mine who recently bought a 9U D6 with a 3306 conversion that also had been wet decked for $5,500 but no dozer. It also has a cab, AC, and newer style seat, and has live 2 value hydraulic system out the back. He was strickley looking at it to farm with on the side.
8-71 and 6-71 Detroit, Normally set at 2100 RPM
4-71 Detroit, 1800
4-53, 2400
3-53, 2750

I'm sure there are many set to run at different RPMs such as the marine engines.
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Tue, Jan 10, 2017 10:16 AM
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8-71 and 6-71 Detroit, Normally set at 2100 RPM
4-71 Detroit, 1800
4-53, 2400
3-53, 2750

I'm sure there are many set to run at different RPMs such as the marine engines.


Hey Thanks Guys

I'll try to get some pictures of the crawler. I need to get some more information from the seller on engine size . Also want to see what horse power it will produce . My plans are to pull a plow (6-8 bottom) 24 foot disc ,culti-weeder or harrow . Will not need the dozer much but do have some dozing to do . I might know where a D6 farm cat is that has no dozer but is powered by a cat motor with a pony start .So what does the WET Deck mean do I need to have that for what I want to use it for? I was just thinking if the price was right I could get a cheap crawler . Might see maybe 100 hours a year. I was thinking maybe $2500.00 would be a price to offer. Anyways thanks again you guys are great
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Tue, Jan 10, 2017 12:32 PM
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Hey Thanks Guys

I'll try to get some pictures of the crawler. I need to get some more information from the seller on engine size . Also want to see what horse power it will produce . My plans are to pull a plow (6-8 bottom) 24 foot disc ,culti-weeder or harrow . Will not need the dozer much but do have some dozing to do . I might know where a D6 farm cat is that has no dozer but is powered by a cat motor with a pony start .So what does the WET Deck mean do I need to have that for what I want to use it for? I was just thinking if the price was right I could get a cheap crawler . Might see maybe 100 hours a year. I was thinking maybe $2500.00 would be a price to offer. Anyways thanks again you guys are great
[quote="laying tracks"]Hey Thanks Guys

I'll try to get some pictures of the crawler. I need to get some more information from the seller on engine size . Also want to see what horse power it will produce . My plans are to pull a plow (6-8 bottom) 24 foot disc ,culti-weeder or harrow . Will not need the dozer much but do have some dozing to do . I might know where a D6 farm cat is that has no dozer but is powered by a cat motor with a pony start .So what does the WET Deck mean do I need to have that for what I want to use it for? I was just thinking if the price was right I could get a cheap crawler . Might see maybe 100 hours a year. I was thinking maybe $2500.00 would be a price to offer. Anyways thanks again you guys are great[/quote]

Wet deck is a oil clutch. Nice but not necessary, especially for pulling a plow. The oil clutch require far less adjusting than a dry clutch. For plowing, not dozing, your clutch will not get a work out so no worries. The first 50 years or so there was no wet decks and they got along fine with a clutch adjustment here and there.
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Tue, Jan 10, 2017 10:24 PM
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Hey Thanks Guys

I'll try to get some pictures of the crawler. I need to get some more information from the seller on engine size . Also want to see what horse power it will produce . My plans are to pull a plow (6-8 bottom) 24 foot disc ,culti-weeder or harrow . Will not need the dozer much but do have some dozing to do . I might know where a D6 farm cat is that has no dozer but is powered by a cat motor with a pony start .So what does the WET Deck mean do I need to have that for what I want to use it for? I was just thinking if the price was right I could get a cheap crawler . Might see maybe 100 hours a year. I was thinking maybe $2500.00 would be a price to offer. Anyways thanks again you guys are great
From O I H specs if it has a 4-71 you have not got it moving that much faster. I have driven several Allis Chalmers HD 9's that us the GM 4-71 they hold up well. Cousin has a number of HD 9's that have a later head off the V8 8-71 and larger injectors made more HP ,the final drives were the first part to go.

I have Cat 9u that has the governor up to real close to 1800 and have a blade on it,a little fast to grade with but not real bad.

There all kinds of discs,but anything other than a 7 inch spacing lite cultivating model it will be on the big side for the 9u. There is 9u out of the Palouse country here and the low gears are not blocked on it,but has been said by others not the best to run in the low gears using all the power you have. That being said I us a old JD 9 inch spaced 18 footer drag type generally staying on contour for field crops. When cultivating walnut orchards I generally us something smaller as you end up going straight up and even closed you will spin out at times. Have never pulled a plow so have no idea how much load that would be. A 30 foot cultivator will be a big load also depending on how deep you want the run the shanks.

I would not let the DD be the deal beaker,but you will be running things to the max. You may be better served by a D7 or a newer D6 like a 6c model.
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