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Justinc
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Hi all I'm just wondering if anyone knows how to resurface barrel and plunger bonnet surface? Cheers
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Sat, Aug 15, 2015 5:09 PM
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If you are talking about fuel injection pump plungers and barrels, unless it's sticking, any resurfacing is just adding wear.

If it's sticking, then I think polishing with very fine abrasive by rotating the plunger is the technique you want. No vertical scratches on either plunger or bore.

Maybe Eddie will be along soon to advise.
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Sat, Aug 15, 2015 7:32 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
If you are talking about fuel injection pump plungers and barrels, unless it's sticking, any resurfacing is just adding wear.

If it's sticking, then I think polishing with very fine abrasive by rotating the plunger is the technique you want. No vertical scratches on either plunger or bore.

Maybe Eddie will be along soon to advise.
[quote="ccjersey"]If you are talking about fuel injection pump plungers and barrels, unless it's sticking, any resurfacing is just adding wear.

If it's sticking, then I think polishing with very fine abrasive by rotating the plunger is the technique you want. No vertical scratches on either plunger or bore.

Maybe Eddie will be along soon to advise.[/quote]

Hi champ I'm not talking about the bore itself I'm talking about the bonnet surface and the pump surface
Where the bonnet comes away from the pump that sealing surface
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Sat, Aug 15, 2015 8:12 PM
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Reply to Justinc:
[quote="ccjersey"]If you are talking about fuel injection pump plungers and barrels, unless it's sticking, any resurfacing is just adding wear.

If it's sticking, then I think polishing with very fine abrasive by rotating the plunger is the technique you want. No vertical scratches on either plunger or bore.

Maybe Eddie will be along soon to advise.[/quote]

Hi champ I'm not talking about the bore itself I'm talking about the bonnet surface and the pump surface
Where the bonnet comes away from the pump that sealing surface
[quote="Justinc"]Hi champ I'm not talking about the bore itself I'm talking about the bonnet surface and the pump surface
Where the bonnet comes away from the pump that sealing surface[/quote]
Are you are talking about the flat surfaces where the injection pump mounts to the injection pump housing? Then proceed with caution because that is a critical dimension. I guess you could use a very fine stone to remove burs, or a rust remover to clean up rust. If you are talking about something else we may need an interpreter. Any blokes here? please chime in.
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Sat, Aug 15, 2015 9:14 PM
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[quote="Justinc"]Hi champ I'm not talking about the bore itself I'm talking about the bonnet surface and the pump surface
Where the bonnet comes away from the pump that sealing surface[/quote]
Are you are talking about the flat surfaces where the injection pump mounts to the injection pump housing? Then proceed with caution because that is a critical dimension. I guess you could use a very fine stone to remove burs, or a rust remover to clean up rust. If you are talking about something else we may need an interpreter. Any blokes here? please chime in.


Hi mate i'm talking about the surface where the pump bonnet detach's from the pump itself iv attach a pic of the bonnet you will see the surface i'm talking about

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Sun, Aug 16, 2015 6:00 AM
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Hi mate i'm talking about the surface where the pump bonnet detach's from the pump itself iv attach a pic of the bonnet you will see the surface i'm talking about

[attachment=30576]1w9171.jpg[/attachment]
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Hi Justin,
we used 180 or 220 wet or dry sheet with oil/kero mix on it on a flat surface plate to figure of 8 pattern lap these . Go slowly and check often to check you have cleanup and then stop.
Next I twisted/turned the item being lapped a few turns to on the emery to make sure it was as flat as possible.

Next step we used fine lapping paste (800 seems to ring a bell but I am not sure now) to lap them on a special cast iron surface plate that had grooves milled into it that left about 5/16" squares, like a chocolate bar with out the slanted edges.
From memory you should be able to get injector lapping paste from the Dealer in small expensive tubs or maybe the local Diesel Injection shop may sell you some. I wonder how White Lily or Gumption paste type kitchen cleaner would go. I still have my unidentified tub of paste here that I used at work.

I made my own lapping block here from a block of steel and used a hacksaw to cut grooves 1/4"-5/16" apart at right angles to each other--the grooves hold the paste and allow any big grit/crud to be dislodged and not mar the surfaces as you lap again lap in the figure of 8 pattern and add a few turns at the end to finish off.
If you do not figure of 8 lap then you run the risk of pushing harder on one side and causing the surface to be worn off more one side than another or rounding off the edges.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Sun, Aug 16, 2015 6:57 AM
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Hi mate i'm talking about the surface where the pump bonnet detach's from the pump itself iv attach a pic of the bonnet you will see the surface i'm talking about

[attachment=30576]1w9171.jpg[/attachment]
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[quote="Justinc"]Hi mate i'm talking about the surface where the pump bonnet detach's from the pump itself iv attach a pic of the bonnet you will see the surface i'm talking about

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OK, what system does that fit? anything newer than 1957 is uncharted territory for me! I thought you were talking about a forged body type system.
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Sun, Aug 16, 2015 7:53 AM
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[quote="Justinc"]Hi mate i'm talking about the surface where the pump bonnet detach's from the pump itself iv attach a pic of the bonnet you will see the surface i'm talking about

[/quote]

OK, what system does that fit? anything newer than 1957 is uncharted territory for me! I thought you were talking about a forged body type system.
Hi Stephen,
that bonnet fits a Compact Pump. I believe the Compact pumps first appeared in 1958 on the new D311H engines. See Service Magazine December 23 1958 for announcement of tooling for the all new Compactly designed style Injection Pumps. These then went on to be known as the Compact pump.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Sun, Aug 16, 2015 8:30 AM
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Hi Stephen,
that bonnet fits a Compact Pump. I believe the Compact pumps first appeared in 1958 on the new D311H engines. See Service Magazine December 23 1958 for announcement of tooling for the all new Compactly designed style Injection Pumps. These then went on to be known as the Compact pump.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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I am surprised that someone has not brought up using mutton tallow as a polishing compound for Diesel injection nozzles.

https://books.google.com/books?id=AckXAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=mutton+tallow+as+abrasive&source=bl&ots=8YyTrUmrOQ&sig=tzh23_9dyIRGSvd-6R76ELIhzxU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBmoVChMI-O-Srt2sxwIVyKKACh1eXAL9#v=onepage&q=mutton%20tallow%20as%20abrasive&f=false

[quote]1972 - ‎Compressors
ii CAUTION | Do not use abrasives of any kind. (a) Clean the lapping plate with a clean cloth. (b) Coat lapping plate surface with clean mutton tallow. Be sure [/quote]

My Dad told me this many years ago. When I would rebuild JD injection nozzles, the shop had some grade of Clover lapping compound, and, as mentioned, to work in a figure "8" motion.
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Sun, Aug 16, 2015 11:20 AM
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Hi All,
If I recall correctly, at our branch we used a piece of glass as the lapping bench. As Ed mentioned figure 8 pattern is very important. We used kero for lube and I can't recall the lapping paste. I'd say it came from a very old unmarked can!!
Regards
Mark
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Sun, Aug 16, 2015 4:03 PM
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Reply to Hutchy:
Hi All,
If I recall correctly, at our branch we used a piece of glass as the lapping bench. As Ed mentioned figure 8 pattern is very important. We used kero for lube and I can't recall the lapping paste. I'd say it came from a very old unmarked can!!
Regards
Mark
The old "Clover' brand lapping and grinding pastes are still around.
Now under the "Loctite" brand.
http://www.newmantools.com/clover.htm
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